GDT: UFC 214: Cormier vs. Jones 2

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DC will probably get crapped on again for retaining the belt this way but it's the only thing that makes sense after the fight was ruled a no contest. It's basically as if the fight didn't happen so that would mean DC is still the champ.
 

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The only guy who has ever defeated Jon Jones was Jon Jones. Twice. That's the real rivalry.

Historic question: why was his first DQ a loss instead of a NC? Do they only call it a NC if the ruling is after the fight?
 

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The only guy who has ever defeated Jon Jones was Jon Jones. Twice. That's the real rivalry.

Historic question: why was his first DQ a loss instead of a NC? Do they only call it a NC if the ruling is after the fight?

Because it was a DQ for illegal elbows and they weren't considered accidental. They would call it a NC for something accidental.

It was a terrible job by whatever ref it was, probably Yamasaki or Mazzagatti although I don't remember.
 

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The only guy who has ever defeated Jon Jones was Jon Jones. Twice. That's the real rivalry.

Historic question: why was his first DQ a loss instead of a NC? Do they only call it a NC if the ruling is after the fight?

Honestly Hamill was pretty much DOA before those elbows even happened.
 

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DC will probably get crapped on again for retaining the belt this way but it's the only thing that makes sense after the fight was ruled a no contest. It's basically as if the fight didn't happen so that would mean DC is still the champ.

There's already tons of Jones nuthuggers who are still insulting DC on social media. It is what it is, not sure what other outcome there really was anyways that people wanted. I guess they could've vacated and had him try and win it but seems kinda counter-intuitive if they're gonna rule this NC as if it never happened.
 

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DC will probably get crapped on again for retaining the belt this way but it's the only thing that makes sense after the fight was ruled a no contest. It's basically as if the fight didn't happen so that would mean DC is still the champ.

Maybe, but I think more people finally get it with Jones and those that don't would lick the bottom of his feet if he walked through mud and asked them to.

He tried pulling a fast one, didn't get popped before the fight, went into the fight on gear and then got popped. **** him.

Cormier also said he's going to take back the belt (obviously) and how Dana explained to him that since it's a NC, it's as if the fight never took place (because Cormier believed as a fighter that he lost that fight -- too bad for him he had to take that nasty kick to the head in a fight that "never happened") and that Jones continues to make a mockery of the sport.

I feel bad for Cormier and all this stuff he's had to deal with since his first fight with Jones, but at least he's still champ and probably (definitely?) will never have to deal with Jones and his ******** again.
 

kurt

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It's a real shame, but AFAIK most athletes in the UFC are using. Jones got caught, and shame on him for using for sure, but USADA is only finding the tip of the iceberg.
 

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Of course most are using, and most will continue to use.

Sometimes people need to be careful what they wish for. People wanted excessive testing for some reason despite it making the product worse. Now we are going to see Jon Jones fight once over a 4 or 5 year period, Nick Diaz essentially forced into retirement, older guys like Vitor Belfort replaced by no-name card-fillers, and countless other fighters banned for long periods. And for what? It's all just a shell game to move from one substance to another, fighters using different things to stay a step ahead of the competition.

The UFC needed to create the illusion of being hard on drugs without actually being hard on them. Their official stance needed to be "drugs are bad and we don't want kids doing them" while having a system in place that weeded out only the guys who stupid enough to get caught. They needed NBA-style testing where they are told the days they will be tested.
 

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Of course most are using, and most will continue to use.

Sometimes people need to be careful what they wish for. People wanted excessive testing for some reason despite it making the product worse. Now we are going to see Jon Jones fight once over a 4 or 5 year period, Nick Diaz essentially forced into retirement, older guys like Vitor Belfort replaced by no-name card-fillers, and countless other fighters banned for long periods. And for what? It's all just a shell game to move from one substance to another, fighters using different things to stay a step ahead of the competition.

The UFC needed to create the illusion of being hard on drugs without actually being hard on them. Their official stance needed to be "drugs are bad and we don't want kids doing them" while having a system in place that weeded out only the guys who stupid enough to get caught. They needed NBA-style testing where they are told the days they will be tested.

Sure that's true. Or, and I know this is crazy, but maybe, just maybe, the fighters could try doing it clean, negating the need to worry about failing a test?
 

kurt

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Sure that's true. Or, and I know this is crazy, but maybe, just maybe, the fighters could try doing it clean, negating the need to worry about failing a test?

Too much money on the line. Too much need to recover more quickly from training sessions, rehab from injuries, reap performance gains, etc. If a guy can survive training camps and weight cuts better, get injured less often, recover from injuries faster, and get paid more often and earn bigger contracts as a result, it all boils down to a pretty basic "is it worth the risk of getting caught" calculation.
 

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Too much money on the line. Too much need to recover more quickly from training sessions, rehab from injuries, reap performance gains, etc. If a guy can survive training camps and weight cuts better, get injured less often, recover from injuries faster, and get paid more often and earn bigger contracts as a result, it all boils down to a pretty basic "is it worth the risk of getting caught" calculation.

It's an either or type of scenario here. Either you test for PEDs and suspend offending fighters with very harsh penalties, or you let them all openly use. This pretending to be clean while people are secretly juiced to the gills is going to get someone killed in the ring.
 
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Too much money on the line. Too much need to recover more quickly from training sessions, rehab from injuries, reap performance gains, etc. If a guy can survive training camps and weight cuts better, get injured less often, recover from injuries faster, and get paid more often and earn bigger contracts as a result, it all boils down to a pretty basic "is it worth the risk of getting caught" calculation.

Or getting cancer or kidney disease or a bunch of other nasty diseases. The very nature of the sport also likely shortens lifespan so.........

I have a hard time keeping up interest in watching anymore tbh
 

kurt

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It's an either or type of scenario here. Either you test for PEDs and suspend offending fighters with very harsh penalties, or you let them all openly use. This pretending to be clean while people are secretly juiced to the gills is going to get someone killed in the ring.

Yeah, all sorts of risks. It's just too hard/costly to catch people, and actually works against the sport's interests in the entertainment industry. It's the same issue with all pro sports. At the end of the day organizations are really only interested in enacting policies that are just comprehensive enough to limit their liability, without compromising the overall entertainment value of their product.
 

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Yeah, all sorts of risks. It's just too hard/costly to catch people, and actually works against the sport's interests in the entertainment industry. It's the same issue with all pro sports. At the end of the day organizations are really only interested in enacting policies that are just comprehensive enough to limit their liability, without compromising the overall entertainment value of their product.

There are plenty of ways they could have gone, the UFC made the choice to try to clean up the sport completely. Probably not a coincidence the same guys sold the company relatively soon after, it's bad for business.
 

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Yeah, all sorts of risks. It's just too hard/costly to catch people, and actually works against the sport's interests in the entertainment industry. It's the same issue with all pro sports. At the end of the day organizations are really only interested in enacting policies that are just comprehensive enough to limit their liability, without compromising the overall entertainment value of their product.

Well sure, that's the problem. The tougher the organizations are on PEDs, the worse their product is. This is the reason why someone is ultimately going to end up getting killed in the cage or all the ex fighters banding together and serving a lawsuit for CTE against the biggest organizations before any real change will happen. You can't do it halfway just to put forth the perception of being clean. Like I said earlier, it's an all or nothing scenario. Either you stop all fighters from using PEDs or you allow it and let everyone going in know what the deal is.
 

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What a real shame, we're talking about a guy who many can argue is the best of all-time. What are the odds of him fighting again?

His GOAT status is erased completely.

He falls into the "what if" category now. His performance vs OSP was a meh win and its the only drug test he has passed in 4 years.

Hopefully he never fights again. Disgrace

DC wins if not for roids.

Jones fails not just at MMA, but life in general. The guy should be serving jailtime for some of the things he has done, but squeaks out with community service over and over. Well, there goes your mealticket Jones. Go overdose on a speedball now and keep the predictability train going.
 
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kurt

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His GOAT status is erased completely.

He falls into the "what if" category now. His performance vs OSP was a meh win and its the only drug test he has passed in 4 years.

Hopefully he never fights again. Disgrace

DC wins if not for roids.

Jones fails not just at MMA, but life in general. The guy should be serving jailtime for some of the things he has done, but squeaks out with community service over and over. Well, there goes your mealticket Jones. Go overdose on a speedball now and keep the predictability train going.

Is his status erased completely because he used PEDs, or because he was caught using PEDs?

If it's because he's using them, where do you draw the line at erasing people from history?
 

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