Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - Part IV

[Jorah Marshmont]

Why hasn't he played like one of the top goalies in the NHL the past two seasons?

To me, Tuukka's capable of playing high-quality minutes for long stretches of time, but he's also far more inconsistent then you'd like to see out of your franchise goalie. I wonder if some of that inconsistency is due to the number of minutes he's been forced to play, but if your franchise goalie is only capable of giving you 45-50 quality starts a year, doesn't that diminish his value?

Over the past 4 years he's played the most games in the league, 60ish should be the target. Even this year he was tied for third with 65 games. The goalies that played more than him were Cam Talbot and Frederik Anderson, not Price, Lundqvist, Rinne, etc. I think an extra 3 or 4 games off spread out along the season would have helped him a lot.

I think the "issues" with his performance are overblown, the only major stat he wasn't top 5 in this year was save %.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Why hasn't he played like one of the top goalies in the NHL the past two seasons?

To me, Tuukka's capable of playing high-quality minutes for long stretches of time, but he's also far more inconsistent then you'd like to see out of your franchise goalie. I wonder if some of that inconsistency is due to the number of minutes he's been forced to play, but if your franchise goalie is only capable of giving you 45-50 quality starts a year, doesn't that diminish his value?

The year Rask won his Vezina, he started 58 games.

The years Thomas won his, he started 55 and 57 games.

That should be the target. Get a backup than give you 20-25 quality games and Rask (like TT) will give you his best. It's great to have a workhorse that can go 72 games, but then again, those guys tend to hit the wall come playoff time. I would rather have my starter go less than 60 games regular season and then have something left in the tank for the postseason.

 

[DitClapper]

He's the guy going forward and will continue to be.

 

[wintersej]

the year rask won his vezina, he started 58 games.

The years thomas won his, he started 55 and 57 games.

That should be the target. Get a backup than give you 20-25 quality games and rask (like tt) will give you his best. It's great to have a workhorse that can go 72 games, but then again, those guys tend to hit the wall come playoff time. I would rather have my starter go less than 60 games regular season and then have something left in the tank for the postseason.

bingo

 

[Dellstrom]

I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do with a much improved d corps. He's inconsistent, there's no argument against that, but I'm happy we have him moving forward. I think he's gonna have an amazing year next year.

Completely agree that 60 should be a pretty hard cap for his games played.

 

[DKH]

I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do with a much improved d corps. He's inconsistent, there's no argument against that, but I'm happy we have him moving forward. I think he's gonna have an amazing year next year.

Completely agree that 60 should be a pretty hard cap for his games played.

55 is 2/3 and we can see now that Claude ran the last 2 teams into the ground starting with the goalie

Is there any doubt had Cassidy been coach with his calm handling of the team and installing confidence in the back up they make it

 

[Hali33]

He doesn't hold up to being overplayed and and he's had surgery in the off season. I agree, the back up needs to take 20-25 games off him and whoever they choose for back up, they need to commit to this. Its not worth avoiding a handful of ugly games with the back up just to have your starter's numbers take a nosedive for a month or two later in the season.

I don't think its the only reason things have been up and down for Rask the past couple seasons but I definitely think its part of it. I'd certainly like to see where he's at if you remove the fatigue factor. Smoothing out his inconsistency and taking a step forward on defense would go a long way to help this team compete.

 

[bp13]

55 is 2/3 and we can see now that Claude ran the last 2 teams into the ground starting with the goalie

Is there any doubt had Cassidy been coach with his calm handling of the team and installing confidence in the back up they make it

He "ran the last two teams into the ground"!?!?

How many months did it take for the backup to win a game? How about the GM get a better backup during that period so they don't lose every game Rask sits?

And in response to the original question, I take Holtby over Rask any day of the week.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

The year Rask won his Vezina, he started 58 games.

The years Thomas won his, he started 55 and 57 games.

That should be the target. Get a backup than give you 20-25 quality games and Rask (like TT) will give you his best. It's great to have a workhorse that can go 72 games, but then again, those guys tend to hit the wall come playoff time. I would rather have my starter go less than 60 games regular season and then have something left in the tank for the postseason.

True, but its unlikely the Bruins could have made the playoffs the last few years with Rask getting under 60 games. Its a lot easier to give the number 1 guy a break when the team is not in danger of missing the playoffs.

 

[bp13]

True, but its unlikely the Bruins could have made the playoffs the last few years with Rask getting under 60 games. Its a lot easier to give the number 1 guy a break when the team is not in danger of missing the playoffs.

Bingo

 

[GloryDaze4877]

True, but its unlikely the Bruins could have made the playoffs the last few years with Rask getting under 60 games. Its a lot easier to give the number 1 guy a break when the team is not in danger of missing the playoffs.

Bingo

So, in other words, you are agreeing that the B's need a quality backup that can handle 25 games without a ton of dropoff from Rask?

 

[DarrenBanks56]

condon would be perfect for us. he avail or does ott still have him next year?

 

[DKH]

He "ran the last two teams into the ground"!?!?

How many months did it take for the backup to win a game? How about the GM get a better backup during that period so they don't lose every game Rask sits?

And in response to the original question, I take Holtby over Rask any day of the week.

You can have Holtby I'll take Rask every day and twice on Sunday

 

[LouJersey]

You can have Holtby I'll take Rask every day and twice on Sunday

Agreed. Holtby just can't raise his game for whatever reason.

 

[DKH]

Agreed. Holtby just can't raise his game for whatever reason.

Holtby gagged in the playoffs

He's playing in back of the deepest lineup in hockey

He's good but overrated

Rask played a playoff game behind 2 guys who didn't play a regular season game (Cross & McAvoy) another (Morrow) who hadn't dressed since February and another (Liles) who was a scratch 7 of last 9 games

Check out Holtby defense

No comparison in skills to me. Rask hands down

 

[LouJersey]

Holtby gagged in the playoffs

He's playing in back of the deepest lineup in hockey

He's good but overrated

Rask played a playoff game behind 2 guys who didn't play a regular season game (Cross & McAvoy) another (Morrow) who hadn't dressed since February and another (Liles) who was a scratch 7 of last 9 games

Check out Holtby defense

No comparison in skills to me. Rask hands down

Can't disagree. Holtbys team and defense was stacked.

Btw why am I posting on HF? I'm posed to be relaxing, right?

 

[bp13]

So, in other words, you are agreeing that the B's need a quality backup that can handle 25 games without a ton of dropoff from Rask?

Yes. Absolutely.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

You can have Holtby I'll take Rask every day and twice on Sunday

I can remember Stan Fischler once writing he'd take Mike Milbury over Ray Bourque every day and twice on Sunday.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

55 is 2/3 and we can see now that Claude ran the last 2 teams into the ground starting with the goalie

Is there any doubt had Cassidy been coach with his calm handling of the team and installing confidence in the back up they make it

Is there doubt. Sure.

Just wondering exactly how Cassidy instilled that confidence in Kodobbie?

 

[DKH]

I can remember Stan Fischler once writing he'd take Mike Milbury over Ray Bourque every day and twice on Sunday.

I'm not insulted you are belittling my Rask assessment because you have forgotten more hockey than I'll ever know

 

[DKH]

Is there doubt. Sure.

Just wondering exactly how Cassidy instilled that confidence in Kodobbie?

Remember the source is me. Sweeney honk and 'all is rosy in Bruins Land'

You should know by now the guy behind the curtain is an old Kansas con man'

 

[bruinmann77]

think they will go with Anton who turned it around.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

think they will go with Anton who turned it around.

Turned what around? The net hoping no one would notice?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Remember the source is me. Sweeney honk and 'all is rosy in Bruins Land'

You should know by now the guy behind the curtain is an old Kansas con man'

I've been conned?

I feel like a voter.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I'm not insulted you are belittling my Rask assessment because you have forgotten more hockey than I'll ever know

Not really belittling.

Just happened to remember Stan the sham using those (nearly) exact words. He may have been a bit more off base than you. (I know you like that off base analogy)