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go kim johnsson said:
Serious question: Why should there be a lawsuit from the 18 year olds? It's not like it's there god-given right to be drafted. If there is legal ground to hold a draft then it's just tough luck for them.
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Serious question: Why should there be a lawsuit from the 18 year olds? It's not like it's there god-given right to be drafted. If there is legal ground to hold a draft then it's just tough luck for them.
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The reason due to the cancellation of the draft in Ottawa is because of the hotels. They are unable to hold the hundreds of reservations that are not confirmed, while they are turing down guaranteed reservations. The hotel industry can not take this type of financial hit, especially at the start of the peak tourism season.
Ottawa's opportunity to host the 2005 National Hockey League entry draft appears to be dead, and odds are the event will be called off as early as today.
Ottawa Mayor Bob Chiarelli confirmed last night that the NHL needed to let Ottawa-area hotels know by the end of the week whether it planned to take rooms booked months ago for the annual event.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050324/NHL24/TPSports/Hockey
Ottawa's opportunity to host the 2005 National Hockey League entry draft appears to be dead, and odds are the event will be called off as early as today.
Ottawa Mayor Bob Chiarelli confirmed last night that the NHL needed to let Ottawa-area hotels know by the end of the week whether it planned to take rooms booked months ago for the annual event.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050324/NHL24/TPSports/Hockey
Zack Attack said:
There are huge number of free agents. None of whom can be signed until a CBA is reached.
When a CBA has been achieved, Crosby's rights will be decided upon, along with all this year's 18 year olds, in a draft.
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The Iconoclast said:And the president of a junior league, especially one with a credability issue, has never been wrong in what he has said?
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me2 said:
A lesser market needs advertising, fans, corporate sponsorship and a good television deal. They do not NEED a young star. Remember under a hard cap all teams are "equal" therefore there are no more "small markets"
There is nothing I would rather see than a big market team get Crosby, you know the teams that thrived under the last players friendly CBA
Crosby in Detroit or Phily or Toronto would be too funny. I can just see the Oilers ownership. "If a big market team gets Sidney Crosby we will suspend operations"
:lol
What if the NHL gets their 850K rookie salary cap in place for the next CBA (either by consent or forced) and all of the draftees are deemed UFA?
Under any salary cap teams could not just throw money at the top prospects, as it would limit their teams overall cap limit.
Hypothetical: The salary cap of $37.5M is agreed to, teams that were under the $37.5M last season could have additional salary manoeuvring room.
13 teams were under $37.5M last season and could in theory spend $87,163,450 of additional salaries to reach the max. $6,704,880 is the average amount those teams can up their salaries.
Calgary was the closest team last season to be under the $37.5M, their team salary was $36,402,600 which would allow $1,097,400 in additional salary(to reach the max salary cap)
Nashville had the lowest salary last season @ $22,932,500 and in theory could have $14,567,500 in additional salary to meet the maximum cap number.
17 teams were over the cap last season with Detroit more then double the current NHL proposed salary cap, do not expect the big market teams to be ‘buying up the talent’ for the next several years.
Can someone explain to me how Toronto, who was at 103% capacity last season with the best local TV(and Canadian) audience in hockey, benefits the league by getting a certain top prospect?
Under any salary cap teams could not just throw money at the top prospects, as it would limit their teams overall cap limit.
Hypothetical: The salary cap of $37.5M is agreed to, teams that were under the $37.5M last season could have additional salary manoeuvring room.
13 teams were under $37.5M last season and could in theory spend $87,163,450 of additional salaries to reach the max. $6,704,880 is the average amount those teams can up their salaries.
Calgary was the closest team last season to be under the $37.5M, their team salary was $36,402,600 which would allow $1,097,400 in additional salary(to reach the max salary cap)
Nashville had the lowest salary last season @ $22,932,500 and in theory could have $14,567,500 in additional salary to meet the maximum cap number.
17 teams were over the cap last season with Detroit more then double the current NHL proposed salary cap, do not expect the big market teams to be ‘buying up the talent’ for the next several years.
Can someone explain to me how Toronto, who was at 103% capacity last season with the best local TV(and Canadian) audience in hockey, benefits the league by getting a certain top prospect?
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The biggest flaw with your logic is that a Cancelled season has occured and as a result come July 1st this year MANY players contracts will expire .. So what team Salary were at is really not relevant an more ... 60-65 % of all players will be UFA or RFA and not count against any Cap until resigned at new CBA figures ..alecfromtherock said:
Second Big CBC or TSN or SPORTSNET Hockey TV contracts would certainly benefit from Crosby on a Canadian Team in Die hard Hockey Country more so then a Deep South Smaller Market .. Fans see so little of Dany Heatley and Rick Nash and Jay Bouwmeester that is does not promote TV packages ..
In theory KNOWN NHL STARS in non-traditional Hockey markets IMO promotes the game better then young players do ..
Would Carolina have more fans attend games if Eric Staal or Joe Sakic was in the line-up ??? Would Carolina not be better on the ice with Sakic?? .. Isn't that really what Bettman's NHL is about .. Parity on the ice ... That could be better accomplished by Missing Stars and young players in all markets .. Both for on ice success and Team Salaries .. Big Market teams in general draft late and have to rely heavily on UFA market to build teams .. While a team like Atlanta has been given Heatley, Kovalchuk, Lehtonen, Coburn .. but it takes so long to finally get to a point where they are competitive that the team might be in Finacial ruin already ..
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Not really sure why you find this funny, because it isn't. The Oilers management have never asked to be given a winning team, they just want to be able to compete on a level playing field.NataSatan666 said:
Try staying on topic and keep these Pejorative Slured comments to yourself.
OilKiller said:Meanwhile, PA members are golfing...Unbelievable...
I'm sure the owners have been spending every waking minute trying to solve the lockout.
Like yesterday, when the Illitch family agreed to spend $500 Million (A HALF A BILLION) on a casino in Detroit.
Newsguyone said:
Well, I'm pretty sure the last proposal put forth was by the NHL and the last meeting was the NHL. Seems to me they are more concerned about what is going on, while the PA members golf. Whatever...
OilKiller said:Well, I'm pretty sure the last proposal put forth was by the NHL and the last meeting was the NHL. Seems to me they are more concerned about what is going on, while the PA members golf. Whatever...
Yeah because we all know you'd never catch a NHL owner on the golf course.
Icey said:Yeah because we all know you'd never catch a NHL owner on the golf course.
Again, did we not all believe that these 3 days of meetings were for them to decide what is what and where to go from here? Meanwhile they are golfing. I simply think they should be more concerned about getting to CBA issues than golfing, that is all.
OilKiller said:
And you know for a fact that they are out on the golf course and not sitting in a board room trying to figure out how to fix this mess? There has been no media coverage, but yet you know they are golfing? Amazing!
And BTW did you know that almost 85% of business transactions are conducted on/around the golf course? Yup. Men don't learn to play golf because they like the game, they learn because they have to if they want to be successful in business. The average age a man learns to play golf is 25.
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Icey said:
I was simply responding to the Sportsnet and TSN report that they were on the golf course. You just looking for something to argue about? Holy crap people have nothing better to do huh?
85 percent, huh? For some reason I find this comment hilarious... just where exactly did you hear this? Got a link?Icey said:
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Clint said:
I don't golf unless something has gone horribly wrong.
My deals take place in my office, my boardroom, their office, and their boardroom.
The people who waste four hours to agree to do a deal are not going to be on my marketing or sales staff any time in the future. In four hours on the phone they can drum up more business than with one to three guys on a golf course.
I have associates and friends who are avid golfers. If they were playing golf during the workday their wives would kill them, so they bring along clients or business associates and call it "dealmaking" or "networking."
I don't begrudge them this, but they'll never work for me.
I guess I'll just have to settle for the 15% of the deals that don't take place on the golf course.
Depends on what type of business you are in. If your selling used cars or pencils, then no your not going to be doing business on the golf course. But if your selling a multi-billion product, chances are that deal isn't a twenty minute telephone deal.
The 85% figure I read last season in an article in Business Week or Forbes, don't remember which one. Don't have a link because I don't read business periodicals on the internet.
The 85% figure I read last season in an article in Business Week or Forbes, don't remember which one. Don't have a link because I don't read business periodicals on the internet.
Wisent said:
Restraint of trade.
A person has a right to ply his trade in the open market. Since they are not members of the NHLPA they are not bound by any restrictions imposed by the NHLPA nor NHL. Since there is no draft, they have not registered (signed a contract subjecting themselves to NHL-NHLPA-CBA rules).
So, they are free agents to ply their trade wherever they please.
When the league finally works out a new CBA with the NHLPA, it will certainly include a methodology for entering the league, but until that time I don't see how anyone can restrain a kid from playing somewhere other than the NHL.
OilKiller said:I was simply responding to the Sportsnet and TSN report that they were on the golf course. You just looking for something to argue about? Holy crap people have nothing better to do huh?
Here are the links to the TSN and sportsnet articles on the meeting, please show me where they say they are on the golf course? I have read them both more than once and don't see where they say they are playing golf.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=119200
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp;jsessionid=ENENPIBFMOGE?content=20050324_153147_5348
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dunwoody_joe said:
How is that different from anytime in the past - nothing ever prevented a drafted player from playing somewhere other than the NHL. Look at all the drafted players who continue to play in Europe or look at the old WHA. The NHL and the draft can't make a player play in the NHL, but a negotiated CBA can say that if you play in the NHL, we can tell you where you have to play.
Unsigned draftees and draft eligible players will only have grounds for legal action if and when the league actually starts signing players again.
If it is an impasse CBA scenerio, their status will be covered in the imposed CBA - now there is some question of the legality of the draft in an imposed CBA and whether an imposed CBA could only cover current working conditions (pay etc) and that restraint of trade issues like the draft could only be covered in a negotiated CBA, but thats another issue.
In a non-impasse replacement player scenerio, there is no grounds for a draft, and if the NHL starts signing replacement players, then unsigned draftees and current draft eligibles would have action if they were not treated as UFAs, but also remember that by definition replacement workers are treated as temporary workers. There would be nothing that would prevent a draft eligible player from being signed as a replacement player as a temporary UFA and then later being subject to the draft provisions of a negotiated CBA. Sidney Crosby could very well find himselp playing as a replacement player in Mtl and later be drafted by the Caps for example.
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