TSN 690 & Other Montreal sports media Thread V

[Capitano]

Molson isn't part of hockey Ops. Bergevin has no superior in hockey Ops. And plenty of successful teams operate that way too. The problem is more that Molson trusts Bergevin WAY to much, and less that there isn't a hockey ops president in place.

Any way you define it, Molson holds the hammer and he is letting MB continue to make hockey decisions for this team.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Any way you define it, Molson holds the hammer and he is letting MB continue to make hockey decisions for this team.

And he deserves criticism for that, no question at all. I'm just not sure calls for a President of Hockey Ops makes a ton of sense. People just want one so that they'll fire Bergevin.

 

[OldCraig71]

Molson/Bergevin would rather convinced the fans that they are doing a good job than actualy doing one, so i wont be surprised. HF Board is a unique and special place. I am glad i found it, i have learned so much here.

Lets enjoy it while we still can.

 

[Chili]

I would think it's just contractual obligations that come with the agreement to air the Jays in Montreal. Plus from their own point of view, they want to build up the audience for the baseball as they have it all summer whereas the hockey is just a short term thing.

That could well be the case. Could be something to do with their advertisers as well, who knows.

From memory the Impact, Als and Habs playoff plus preseason broadcasts take priority over baseball. I also seem to remember them broadcasting the Cup finals.

If Nashville were to make the finals again, there will be alot of local interest.

 

[OldCraig71]

As long as things like face-saving are more important than winning, we won't get a well-run team and we certainly won't get one with any real degree of transparency. Molson could end the suffering today if he wanted to. All it would take would be for him to admit that he f'd up. Once he owned his mistake he could then correct it by firing the mistake. But if all he wants is to save face and not have to pay a guy not to work then we may as well check out until Bergy's contract expires because this crap is not going to end.

If he is that stubborn he deserves whatever Bergevin brings his way, he can either swallow his pride now or eventually fire him in a year or two but the recovery might take 10 years.

 

[Censored Toad]

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/quiz-should-the-habs-move-on-a-sabres-centre-1.1055952

Two articles relating to ROR from buffalo coming to the habs

thoughts?

 

[Laurentide]

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/quiz-should-the-habs-move-on-a-sabres-centre-1.1055952

Two articles relating to ROR from buffalo coming to the habs

thoughts?

Sure, why not? You can pick apart any player in the league but the bottom line is that whatever faults ROR may have he would instantly be our best forward if he were dealt here.

 

[Captain Mountain]

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/quiz-should-the-habs-move-on-a-sabres-centre-1.1055952

Two articles relating to ROR from buffalo coming to the habs

thoughts?

I like ROR a lot. He's a poor man's Bergeron. He's not terribly old.

I have absolutely no faith in Bergevin's ability to make a good trade for anything other than a rental or bottom of the line-up depth.

 

[Tighthead]

Also are people on r/Habs mentally deficient or do they just have a ton of Habs employees posting there?

It’s bizarro world over there. Sly is an asset, media is the problem.

 

[417]

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/quiz-should-the-habs-move-on-a-sabres-centre-1.1055952

Two articles relating to ROR from buffalo coming to the habs

thoughts?

No doubt this team could use ROR...

Problem is, an in-division trade is going to cost a lot and Bergevin has already stated that he's not apt to paying a high price to fill a big need.

So not bloody likely - Bergevin is probably waiting for some team to waive their #1C so he can pounce on them a la Byron.

 

[Censored Toad]

No doubt this team could use ROR...

Problem is, an in-division trade is going to cost a lot and Bergevin has already stated that he's not apt to paying a high price to fill a big need.

So not bloody likely - Bergevin is probably waiting for some team to waive their #1C so he can pounce on them a la Byron.

Ya I agree... what would be a "fair" trade for him given our assets ?

 

[Habaneros]

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/quiz-should-the-habs-move-on-a-sabres-centre-1.1055952

Two articles relating to ROR from buffalo coming to the habs

thoughts?

yes, the Buffalo GM says his team has a losing culture...so ya , more Buffalo guys ...

https://www.tsn.ca/sabres-gm-we-have-a-losing-culture-here-1.1054220

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Ya I agree... what would be a "fair" trade for him given our assets ?

It will require our 1st pick... I could see Buffalo interested if Tkachuk is available.

 

[OldCraig71]

It’s bizarro world over there. Sly is an asset, media is the problem.

I went there and it depressed me. I swear that everyone posting there has a comfort dog sitting at their side as they post. There were people there that make S bah sound like me.

 

[417]

Ya I agree... what would be a "fair" trade for him given our assets ?

I'd imagine they'd want our 1st + Poehling and probably another roster player.

 

[Capitano]

And he deserves criticism for that, no question at all. I'm just not sure calls for a President of Hockey Ops makes a ton of sense. People just want one so that they'll fire Bergevin.

Well to be fair I think firing MB is overdue at this point. And unless Molson sells the team he isn't going anywhere so we're going to have the same issues when the next GM comes...having an owner that simply doesn't understand when things are going wrong and we're digging a hole that will just make it that much harder to ultimately win a cup.

So hiring a President isn't that bad of an idea imo. It removes Molson from making hockey decisions bottom line.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Well to be fair I think firing MB is overdue at this point. And unless Molson sells the team he isn't going anywhere so we're going to have the same issues when the next GM comes...having an owner that simply doesn't understand when things are going wrong and we're digging a hole that will just make it that much harder to ultimately win a cup.

So hiring a President isn't that bad of an idea imo. It removes Molson from making hockey decisions bottom line.

What happens if the President needs to be fired or replaced?

 

[Runner77]

You can disagree if there's something to disagree with. But this is the equivalent of me eating an orange and saying I'm eating an orange and someone being like "no, that's a grape!"

As long as it's laced with THC, there is nothing to disagree with.

 

[Runner77]

Molson isn't part of hockey Ops. Bergevin has no superior in hockey Ops. And plenty of successful teams operate that way too. The problem is more that Molson trusts Bergevin WAY to much, and less that there isn't a hockey ops president in place.

Technically you are correct, Molson's name doesn't appear on their Hockey Ops hierarchy: Hockey Operations

He is listed in their "administration" section: Administration

However, who are we kidding? Who is Bergevin's direct overseer if not Geoff Molson acting on behalf of the ownership group as "Owner, President and CEO"? Bergevin is accountable to Geoff Molson in practise, so he is his direct overseer. For our purposes, this is sufficient. I don't know why you feel compelled to do this kind of hair-splitting.

 

[Runner77]

Any way you define it, Molson holds the hammer and he is letting MB continue to make hockey decisions for this team.

Correct. There are titles and hierarchical charts but ultimately, it's all about who is exercising control and there is no doubt that the responsibility to oversee Bergevin's actions is assumed by Geoff (acting on behalf of the ownership group, goes without saying).

 

[Runner77]

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/quiz-should-the-habs-move-on-a-sabres-centre-1.1055952

Two articles relating to ROR from buffalo coming to the habs

thoughts?

Someone posted a thread about this. I'm wary of what it would cost to acquire him. He's 27 and has 5 more years at $7.5 -- it's another sizeable contract to absorb plus he's not a no. 1C. Wouldn't want him unless the price is reasonable and Buffalo eats some of his salary.

 

[sheed36]

Someone posted a thread about this. I'm wary of what it would cost to acquire him. He's 27 and has 5 more years at $7.5 -- it's another sizeable contract to absorb plus he's not a no. 1C. Wouldn't want him unless the price is reasonable and Buffalo eats some of his salary.

I'd rather it not happen but it wouldn't surprise me to see Galchneyuk headed Buffalo's way in a package for ROR. The Habs need to add to their already pathetic pop gun offense and IMO trading a Galchenyuk with other assets for ROR wouldn't improve the offense very much.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Technically you are correct, Molson's name doesn't appear on their Hockey Ops hierarchy: Hockey Operations

He is listed in their "administration" section: Administration

However, who are we kidding? Who is Bergevin's direct overseer if not Geoff Molson acting on behalf of the ownership group as "Owner, President and CEO"? Bergevin is accountable to Geoff Molson in practise, so he is his direct overseer. For our purposes, this is sufficient. I don't know why you feel compelled to do this kind of hair-splitting.

Because Molson isn't part of hockey Ops. And if we're not hair splitting, the majority of the GMs in the NHL answer directly to ownership.

And if people don't trust Molson, I'm not sure why they'd trust him to hire an intermediary between himself and the GM.

 

[Capitano]

What happens if the President needs to be fired or replaced?

I understand your point...but Molson made the mistake of extending this GM without any real reason to do that - a good President wouldn't have done that imo and would have likely fired the GM by now.

But yes, if the President isn't doing a good job then it's no different I agree...but that's where hockey acumen comes in...if you put the right people in charge then success will come. We put a rookie in charge of the most difficult market in the league.

I see your point though...maybe we don't need a president, but having that layer of hockey knowledge is valuable imo..the KEY is to find the right guy. Right now it's hard to see the silver lining in anything MB does because he is running on the spot each and every year. A good hockey man would see this. Molson doesn't.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I understand your point...but Molson made the mistake of extending this GM without any real reason to do that - a good President wouldn't have done that imo and would have likely fired the GM by now.

But yes, if the President isn't doing a good job then it's no different I agree...but that's where hockey acumen comes in...if you put the right people in charge then success will come. We put a rookie in charge of the most difficult market in the league.

I see your point though...maybe we don't need a president, but having that layer of hockey knowledge is valuable imo..the KEY is to find the right guy. Right now it's hard to see the silver lining in anything MB does because he is running on the spot each and every year. A good hockey man would see this. Molson doesn't.

We think. And There is no way a GM gets fired without Ownership approving. Whoever holds the purse always has final say.