Rumor: Trade Rumors/Proposals/Free Agents 2017-2018

[Stylizer1]

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

For years while Spezza was here the argument I always made about why Spezza wasn't a true elite #1C was because he DOES NOT ever elevate the play of guys around him. Spezza is only as good as the guys he is playing with, and he does not have the leadership or play style which elevates the game of his line-mates.

You are wearing very rose colored glasses when it comes to Spezza. I liked the guy and thought he was a great player for us, but aside from terrible turnovers, Spezza's second worst attribute was that he was never able to make the guys around him better, and he lived and died by his line-mates.

Well I was going to reply but I think everyone who has is 100% right. What I am sating is if you look around at the talent that is available to us right now considering what we have and don't want to give up, Spezza, no matter how farfetched an idea, could be that offensive guy to help the area's we are bad in. He is 34 so I'm not expecting a ppg and 20 minutes a night player. What I am expecting is a guy who can score you 15 goals and maybe 40+ assists. No one on this team has the ice vision he does. The Turris trade made us better skilled wise but we are still lacking another top forward. At this point this team needs to make a gamble and go for it. Adding Duchene though nice is still not that push. What Nashville did by adding Turris is the type of thing that shows you are going for it.

 

[Stylizer1]

Gotta say I agree. Spezza was basically a PPG centre no matter who he played with. So... yeah he made the people around him better.

However, he's nowhere close to that guy anymore, and he doesn't want to be here.

And I don't want him here.

I think he didn't want to go through a rebuild. He had 5 coaches in a very short span and had to carry guys who aren't even in the league anymore(got them paid too). He is obviously not 26 anymore but a quality veteran. As good as Brassard is I would say at this stage Spezza is as good if not still better. Spezza wanting out had more to do with Murray's mismanagement of the team and a cheap owner.

 

[Stylizer1]

Spezza's contract would be up when we would need to extend Duchene and Karlsson.

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Duchene, Matt $6,000,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Spezza, Jason $5,000,000 C M-NTC NMC UFA - 2	Stone, Mark $3,500,000 RW RFA - 1
Hoffman, Mike $5,187,500 LW, C M-NTC UFA - 3	Brassard, Derick $5,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Ryan, Bobby $7,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC NMC UFA - 5
Pyatt, Tom $1,100,000 C UFA - 2	Pageau, Jean-Gabriel $3,100,000 C UFA - 3	Burrows, Alexandre $2,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
DiDomenico, Chris $612,500 C UFA - 1	Smith, Zack $3,250,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4	Thompson, Nate $1,650,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2
	White, Colin $925,000 C RFA - 2

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Sensinitis]

Who played right wing with spezza, wasn't it Butler or something.

It was Butler at the end of the 10-11 season and for a short while in the 11-12 season, but the line was pretty much Greening-Spezza-Michalek in 11-12.

 

[RedWhiteBlackGold]

One player I'd love to have in Clarke's spot is Justin Williams. If it wasn't for a 2nd year (or if it wasn't with Stone/Ceci needing contracts) he'd be a great deadline pickup.

 

[SensFactor]

I have a feeling Ceci going to get traded in the offseason. No way can they keep Ceci who will demand 4mil+ and sign Stone, Claesson, Brassard, Karlsson and maybe Duchene.

 

[Micklebot]

I have a feeling Ceci going to get traded in the offseason. No way can they keep Ceci who will demand 4mil+ and sign Stone, Claesson, Brassard, Karlsson and maybe Duchene.

They'll let Brassard go before Ceci imo.

 

[Icelevel]

I have a feeling Ceci going to get traded in the offseason. No way can they keep Ceci who will demand 4mil+ and sign Stone, Claesson, Brassard, Karlsson and maybe Duchene.

Before the draft you mean and get a 1st back?

 

[50 in 07]

I have a feeling Ceci going to get traded in the offseason. No way can they keep Ceci who will demand 4mil+ and sign Stone, Claesson, Brassard, Karlsson and maybe Duchene.

As Micklebot already said there's simply no way we re-sign 30 year old Brassard at the expense of 23 year old Ceci.

Our C pipeline is quite good with one of White/Brown (or even JGP if push came to shove) likely being able to play 2C behind Duchene as soon as next year.

Our RHD pipeline is brutal behind Karlsson and Ceci. Wideman is the only other RHD with significant NHL experience and not only is he UFA, I would not trust him at all to play top4 minutes and deployment.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I have a feeling Ceci going to get traded in the offseason. No way can they keep Ceci who will demand 4mil+ and sign Stone, Claesson, Brassard, Karlsson and maybe Duchene.

It may very well happen....depending how guys like Chabot, Harpur and Jaros play in the second half of the season. We're starting to form quite a queue of good young defensemen in Belleville.

 

[50 in 07]

It may very well happen....depending how guys like Chabot, Harpur and Jaros play in the second half of the season. We're starting to form quite a queue of good young defensemen in Belleville.

All of those guys have showed varying levels of promise but by no means do any of them make Ceci expendable at this point. Maybe if they step into the top 4 and start to consistently play 20+ min a night without looking out of place, but until that happens trading Ceci would be a mistake. Ceci has his warts for sure but we have no replacement to take his minutes right now.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

All of those guys have showed varying levels of promise but by no means do any of them make Ceci expendable at this point. Maybe if they step into the top 4 and start to consistently play 20+ min a night without looking out of place, but until that happens trading Ceci would be a mistake. Ceci has his warts for sure but we have no replacement to take his minutes right now.

We might not really have a choice with Ceci though if they can't dump one of Phaneuf or Ryan without taking a lot of salary back in return. There's not gonna be a lot of money left on the table after the Stone extension. It'd be a lot more manageable without the Burrows, Smith and Anderson contracts.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

All of those guys have showed varying levels of promise but by no means do any of them make Ceci expendable at this point. Maybe if they step into the top 4 and start to consistently play 20+ min a night without looking out of place, but until that happens trading Ceci would be a mistake. Ceci has his warts for sure but we have no replacement to take his minutes right now.

Not right now, but who knows where any of those guys will be by the end of the year. I like Ceci, I really do, but something has to give at the end of the year. Heck, we might end up losing both Ceci and Brassard.

 

[SensFactor]

Before the draft you mean and get a 1st back?

Would you pay a first rounder for Codi Ceci? He has 2 goals and 2 assists in 19 games. Personally I think he's already an asset thats lost value a bit. I'd trade him and bring Chabot, Harpur or Jaros as cheaper fulltime replacements.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Would you pay a first rounder for Codi Ceci? He has 2 goals and 2 assists in 19 games. Personally I think he's already an asset thats lost value a bit. I'd trade him and bring Chabot, Harpur or Jaros as cheaper fulltime replacements.

It's probably pretty fair to say Ceci easily gets a first rounder type of value back in a deal. Don't take the facebook/twitter echo chamber too seriously when it comes to Ceci.

 

[SensFactor]

It's probably pretty fair to say Ceci easily gets a first rounder type of value back in a deal. Don't take the facebook/twitter echo chamber too seriously when it comes to Ceci.

He has 4 pts in 19 games this season. Had 1 pt in 19 games in the playoffs and was a - 7(worst plus minus amongst all of the dmen that played regularly in the playoffs for Ottawa). These are just cold hard facts.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

He has 4 pts in 19 games this season. Had 1 pt in 19 games in the playoffs and was a - 7(worst plus minus amongst all of the dmen that played regularly in the playoffs for Ottawa). These are just cold hard facts.

Yeah and he plays defense with almost no powerplay time (and the least amount of TOI with Karlsson of any Senator). Its not really an issue. Any team looking to acquire him is going to know he plays behind Karlsson. You're acquiring a guy like Ceci to play the big minutes he does against top competition as right shooting D who's under 25. That's where his value is. And he probably takes a nice bump in offensive statistics if he's given a role on a PP. He's got a nice heavy shot and ran a nice PP in junior.

Relevant comparison: Adam Larsson. Had 18 points in a full 82 the year he got dealt for Taylor Hall. You pay a premium for young premium position players who can already play and have upside.

 

[Liver King]

Simmonds is the guy we have to go after if he becomes available

Ryan-Brassard-Stone
Hoffman-Duchene-Simmonds

 

[50 in 07]

He has 4 pts in 19 games this season. Had 1 pt in 19 games in the playoffs and was a - 7(worst plus minus amongst all of the dmen that played regularly in the playoffs for Ottawa). These are just cold hard facts.

Ah yes, the best way to evaluate a d-man. Points and +/-.

Never mind the fact that said d-man gets brutal deployment against top competition and zero PP time because he plays behind the best offensive d-man in the world.

 

[BigRig4]

Simmonds is the guy we have to go after if he becomes available

Ryan-Brassard-Stone
Hoffman-Duchene-Simmonds

We could really use a guy like that who can create heck in front of the net.

 

[NyQuil]

Simmonds is the guy we have to go after if he becomes available

Ryan-Brassard-Stone
Hoffman-Duchene-Simmonds

There are so few guys like him left that the asking price would be astronomical.

I saw your Dzingel -Chlapik-Wideman trade offer. That’s not going to cut it.

 

[Agent Zub]

Why would Spezza want to come back to a team he asked to be traded from?

How many times has that happened in the NHL?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Spezza is only making five? Thought it was 7.5

 

[Micklebot]

Spezza is only making five? Thought it was 7.5

It is 7.5. No clue where 5 came from.

 

[Stylizer1]

It is 7.5. No clue where 5 came from.

If Dallas retained salary.