Trade Proposals and Free Agency Thread - 2017 Edition

[Walshy7]

honestly do the leafs need JT? i mean giving up legitimate pieces for

not one bit. He is as one dimensional as JVR (ok hyperbole but he inst great defensively, but is great offensively) i wouldnt give a 1st on its own for JT. If as a FA he chose the leafs AND took a discount (pretty hefty one) thats the only way i want him on the leafs

 

[Walshy7]

LEbrun is what he is.... but he says that the kings are looking to trade muzzin for a winger to play with kopitar.

What would that realistically take? He is exactly what we could use (from
What I remember in playoff runs)
6’3 215 lbs plays the right side and 28. JVR and what? He has 3 years with 4 mill left
And has won cups. What to add to jvr?

Hyman. Matthews. Nylander
Marleau. Bozak. Marner
Leo. Kadri. Brown
Martin. Moore. Leivo

Gardiner. Zaitsev
Rielly. Muzzin
Borgman. Hainsey

Annnd cup.

the adds to JVR would need to be better than JVR! Muzzin has 3 years left at $4M

 

[thewave]

We should be fine on D. What we need now is structure in our play. Trading Bozak will greatly advance one line that way. I think it should be done.

JVR is the perfect 3rd line goal scorer. Plays the sheltered role and will be our Phil Kessel on our cup run. JVR Nylander Brown is the best we can do for this line IMHO.

Gives you possession, cycle and forecheck, scoring touch x3

 

[kk87]

JVR + Bozak to Vegas for Theodore + 1st, they'll need some extra depth for their cup run

 

[thewave]

We do not need or want a D. It is silly and a waste. We have a probable #1 in Lilj in the AHL and a 4/5 in Dermott while rotating a likely 4/5 in Borgman in and out and a 5/6 in Rosen with Polak still tagging along.

R G H Z and C are all good defenders.

 

[Legion34]

I would say we could use an upgrade on D without question. It’s not a dealbreaker obviously, but having another top 4 d that would allow hainsey to slide onto the third pair would be ideal.

I only slot dermott and Lilly as having realistic chances of being top 4 d. And that won’t be for a couple of years easy. Braun, muzzin, etc could work. It seems like management. Agrees as they were in on hamonic. Say jvr, carrick and conditional pick based on re sign for muzzin

Gardiner/Zaitsev
Rielly/ muzzin
Borg. Hainsey.

That would be solid for the next 2 years with giving dermott the chance to compete for a spot. Having your D,G and buyouts signed for about 28 million is great. Gives you tons left over for forwards. That would be perfect.

 

[Legion34]

the adds to JVR would need to be better than JVR! Muzzin has 3 years left at $4M

Yep. Like a conditional 1st of jvr doesn’t sign... but if they get JVR on an extension a 30g 60pt winger is worth a top 4 d.

 

[thewave]

I would say we could use an upgrade on D without question. It’s not a dealbreaker obviously, but having another top 4 d that would allow hainsey to slide onto the third pair would be ideal.

I only slot dermott and Lilly as having realistic chances of being top 4 d. And that won’t be for a couple of years easy. Braun, muzzin, etc could work. It seems like management. Agrees as they were in on hamonic. Say jvr, carrick and conditional pick based on re sign for muzzin

Gardiner/Zaitsev
Rielly/ muzzin
Borg. Hainsey.

That would be solid for the next 2 years with giving dermott the chance to compete for a spot. Having your D,G and buyouts signed for about 28 million is great. Gives you tons left over for forwards. That would be perfect.

Lilj will be in the NHL by 2018 likely. We have no use for a D but plenty of use for futures.

 

[Legion34]

Lilj will be in the NHL by 2018 likely. We have no use for a D but plenty of use for futures.

I think that’s pretty optimistic. He has played 4 games in the AHL had a bad year. I think he is probably 2 full seasons away. And if not then hey ok. Make a trade. But why would we keep 10 top 9 forwards and not try to upgrade the D? A vet 28 year old with 3 cup rings could help the kids a lot.

Still have the top 4 set and bring dermott and lily in as 5-6 to start. 20 year old rookies don’t just jump in the top 4.

We have no real can’t miss prospects on the back end. I have hope, but there is no headman etc.

Borg, dermott could be 3rd pair. Rosen could bust. Lilly is a wildcard

 

[Walshy7]

I think that’s pretty optimistic. He has played 4 games in the AHL had a bad year. I think he is probably 2 full seasons away. And if not then hey ok. Make a trade. But why would we keep 10 top 9 forwards and not try to upgrade the D? A vet 28 year old with 3 cup rings could help the kids a lot.

Still have the top 4 set and bring dermott and lily in as 5-6 to start. 20 year old rookies don’t just jump in the top 4.

We have no real can’t miss prospects on the back end. I have hope, but there is no headman etc.

Borg, dermott could be 3rd pair. Rosen could bust. Lilly is a wildcard

id say liljegren is pretty close to cant miss, at worst he becomes a bottom pair pp specialist. Skating like that makes the NHL, its just we hope there is top4 (or 2) skill with that skating which I think there is but if not I think he will be a #6 dman minimum.

 

[Legion34]

id say liljegren is pretty close to cant miss, at worst he becomes a bottom pair pp specialist. Skating like that makes the NHL, its just we hope there is top4 (or 2) skill with that skating which I think there is but if not I think he will be a #6 dman minimum.

Sure I hope he does. But I don’t see why it precludes us from getting a top4 d. In case he is one in 5 years

 

[Walshy7]

Sure I hope he does. But I don’t see why it precludes us from getting a top4 d. In case he is one in 5 years

a top4 sure why not, depending on the cost. If they are confident Liljegren will be a top4 in the next say 4 years, they would be stupid to trade any of the big3 for a top4 dman. So a package of futures sure

 

[Legion34]

a top4 sure why not, depending on the cost. If they are confident Liljegren will be a top4 in the next say 4 years, they would be stupid to trade any of the big3 for a top4 dman. So a package of futures sure

Oh of course. No sorry I wasn’t going down the nylander for Hedman path.

I think JVR and or futures for a second pair. I don’t think that we trade a core for a top pair

 

[rumman]

JVR + Bozak to Vegas for Theodore + 1st, they'll need some extra depth for their cup run

I'd do this in a New York minute, but I doubt Vegas would! Regardless, both Bozak and JVR need to be traded this year. I could care less about any playoff aspirations this year if it meant obtaining pieces that improve the Leafs long term via the trading of expiring contracts. The Leafs have just begun becoming a good team, now is not the time to be throwing away assets for nothing for the slim hope of winning the cup this year. Although many here are comfortable with this idea, I'm convinced that Lou and company know better and one if not both these players will be gone at or before the trade deadline.

 

[thewave]

99.9% Lilj is top 4 and about .1% 5/6

Its not even a question, he just has to skate and not mess up a whole lot.

 

[BlueForever75]

We definitely do not need an upgrade currently in our D at this moment. I have not seen anything that is drastically different then every other team this season this early on. Players getting used to playing with people and understanding how teams play so they can defend adequately. Part of the early seasons struggles on the back end have been because of poor goaltending. Some goals shouldn't have happened. IF Anderson continues to get better as the season progresses which is his norm, and the offence picks up their defensive responsibilities back checking our defensemen are sufficient for the type of hockey that Babcock wants to play.

There is nothing wrong with having 10 top 9 forwards, this is the depth that wins championships. Its what Shannahan has been preaching from the get go. Now we have it and we want to get greedy to upgrade something that really hasn't been all that horrible. We have won 5 out of 6 games, before jumping the gun on a trade like that I would see how the first quarter of the season plays out. Lots of time.

 

[BlueForever75]

99.9% Lilj is top 4 and about .1% 5/6

Its not even a question, he just has to skate and not mess up a whole lot.

Lilj and Dermott are clear cut prospects that will be readily available next season. The reason I do not want to give up assets for another costly player is that we need to bank on our youth we have and continue to build that.

I wouldn't be against trading a JVR and/or Bozak for a defenseman younger with promise that isn't in the NHL yet. This goes with building depth and possible replacements down the line for players like Gardiner. I'm against adding salary long term due to needing to pay the big three and possible other additions to our team.

We have Zaitsev and Reilly locked in long term. How nice would it be in two years when Gardiner is up to be able to trade that asset and replace it with one of 3 or 4 dmen in our system at a low cost. We have that depth at forward but we don't too much on D. Doing things this way is a great way to complement the youth which costs little with vets on FA or trade to bridge the next wave of prospects.

 

[thewave]

@BlueForever75

They are at a point where they can use Bozak and JVR to go for it this year, or trade them and take a gamble with Kappy, Leivo etc. I am ready to gamble Bozak away for sure and am on the fence about JVR. If they draft well or trade well with those proceeds we could be set for 5 years of cup contention.

 

[ToneDog]

Lilj will be in the NHL by 2018 likely. We have no use for a D but plenty of use for futures.

That is very optimistic. Even so that won't help us this year. Ideally we need a Muzzin type dman more than we need another puck carrying dman. As such if Liljegren pans out he can replace Gardiner or Reilly.

 

[thewave]

That is very optimistic. Even so that won't help us this year. Ideally we need a Muzzin type dman more than we need another puck carrying dman. As such if Liljegren pans out he can replace Gardiner or Reilly.

We are 5-1-0 I don't think we need to be thinking about D right off the bat. Wait 15-20 and start to evaluate as everyone is up to speed.

 

[MJ65]

If we can acquire a young upcoming "D" by trading JVR I would not wait for that to happen, but I am not willing to give up any of our prospects for a bottom pairing "D". I would rather wait for our own prospects to mature or explore the FA (if really need to)

 

[thewave]

If we can acquire a young upcoming "D" by trading JVR I would not wait for that to happen, but I am not willing to give up any of our prospects for a bottom pairing "D". I would rather wait for our own prospects to mature or explore the FA (if really need to)

No young D with honest good potential is available for JVR without big adds. Just get the futures and make your own packages if need be.

 

[MJ65]

No young D with honest good potential is available for JVR without big adds. Just get the futures and make your own packages if need be.

True it is awfully hard to find those one cheap

 

[ToneDog]

We are 5-1-0 I don't think we need to be thinking about D right off the bat. Wait 15-20 and start to evaluate as everyone is up to speed.

Preaching patience. I like lit

 

[BlueForever75]

@BlueForever75

They are at a point where they can use Bozak and JVR to go for it this year, or trade them and take a gamble with Kappy, Leivo etc. I am ready to gamble Bozak away for sure and am on the fence about JVR. If they draft well or trade well with those proceeds we could be set for 5 years of cup contention.

What makes you believe that we aren't going for it this year with the team assembled? We took out two potential favorites in Chicago and Washington with what we have. Which means we are more then capable to win with this team.

That being said, how do you correct your hole on the second line by trading Bozak at this point? Moving Nylander or Marleau to center? And then what moving others around to fill those holes? Too many moving parts just for the sake of trading Bozak who in my estimation has done his job. Wins draws, adds scoring, PP time, can kill penalties if needed to. Why break something that isn't broken? So what he and JVR are not the greatest defensively but trying to replace them the other ways to me is a lot to wish for internally.

Leave it alone. Its not broken.