Trade Proposals and Free Agency Thread - 2017 Edition Pt. IV

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The problem with Jack Johnson (his awful contract aside), is to get the most out of him he’s going to need sheltering, and the alesfs have enough his like that as it is.

I’d be fine trading leo if he could bring back a 2nd.
 

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The problem with Jack Johnson (his awful contract aside), is to get the most out of him he’s going to need sheltering, and the alesfs have enough his like that as it is.

I’d be fine trading leo if he could bring back a 2nd.


Just make it simple and send Leo for Jack.

Just get Leo out of here!
 

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Its not about hate of JVR at all. Its about getting a return in the hopes of adding a Lilj or Tolvanen level prospect into farm or better still a second Dermott in the 2nd round. I could care less if they do the math and figure they can get a good deal on him come July.

Its a long term play. That's all.

This. I don't think anyone hates JVR. I don't anyone would mind keeping him if there was no cap.

I want another good prospect or two. If anyone can't understand why, see the play of one Travis Dermott. Quality play for next to no cap space for several years, that kind of asset is incredibly valuable when you're trying to put together a cup winning roster as we hope to be doing in a couple of years.
 

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I don't hate JVR. I'd prefer to keep him over Gardiner long term. I just don't think that's in the plans.

Difference between Nylander and JVR is the Leafs get to negotiate with Nylander all summer if they'd like. With JVR they have a July 1st deadline, and he'll be able to talk to every team in the league before then.

Per reports, there has been zero talks so far, and JVR has been planning for what's to come once July 1st rolls around - all indicators that it's not looking likely that he'll be here long term.

There is also the fact that he's 9th among fwds in ES TOI, and does not get used in OT anymore. Not really signs that he's Babcock's fav forward. Do Leafs want to commit 6 x $6m to their 9th most important fwd at ES? Where will JVR's ice-time be 3 or 4 years from now?

Before Brown hit the 4th line again a month or so ago, JVR was 10th in ES TOI.

Completely understand. To me, MGT either trade JVR or extends him bc he is too valuable to lose for free.
Leo is someone I don't mind losing him for free bc at best he will net a 3rd rounder.
 

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Its not about hate of JVR at all. Its about getting a return in the hopes of adding a Lilj or Tolvanen level prospect into farm or better still a second Dermott in the 2nd round. I could care less if they do the math and figure they can get a good deal on him come July.

Its a long term play. That's all.
Agree with you. Thats pretty much what I think too.
Sometime I just don't get the trade everyone older than 27.....
 

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I would entertain trading Leo but not for less than a 2nd round pick. Anything less and I'd rather hang onto him for the playoffs.
I think Leo easily gets you a 2nd rounder from a contender, but good luck getting Babcock to part with him. Personally imo, it'd be better if he was gone, then he can't be overused or misused as Babcock is wont to do.
 

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Polak has been in the lineup for what? 20 + games in a row? Polak isn't coming out and I doubt for the playoffs either. Hyman,Brown,Hainsey,Polak,Komarov are the coaches comfort zone.

That is the way I see it unless they trade for a better (RH??) dman that Babs likes more.
 

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If the leafs do get Barrie I believe that Babcock would still have polak in the lineup so ideally I think Rielly- Barrie
Hainsey -Zaitsev as the shutdown pair against the big lines
Gardiner or if traded Dermott-Polak sheltered pair
 

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If the leafs do get Barrie I believe that Babcock would still have polak in the lineup so ideally I think Rielly- Barrie
Hainsey -Zaitsev as the shutdown pair against the big lines
Gardiner or if traded Dermott-Polak sheltered pair

Barrie is a good puck mover but he's not equipped to play defense on the top pair and Zaitsev isn't capable of playing in a "shutdown" role either

Rielly Barrie
Hainsey Zaitsev
Dermott Carrick

Isn't any better than

Gardiner Hainsey
Rielly Zaitsev
Dermott Carrick

Imo
 

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Barrie is a good puck mover but he's not equipped to play defense on the top pair and Zaitsev isn't capable of playing in a "shutdown" role either

Rielly Barrie
Hainsey Zaitsev
Dermott Carrick

Isn't any better than

Gardiner Hainsey
Rielly Zaitsev
Dermott Carrick

Imo

I do not see why you split up Rielly and Hainsey. Make Gardiner figure it out with Zaitsev, or give him Polak again or something. Reduce his minutes. He shouldn't need to break up our best pairing just to get sheltered.
 

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The league has whole sail caught on. They know that if you're not in the top 5-6 contenders, exploring improving your team by trading UFAs is a viable option. Soon its going to be the trend and that will ultimately lower prices for UFA at the TDL. In other words its probably best to be the first trade of the season.
 

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I do not see why you split up Rielly and Hainsey. Make Gardiner figure it out with Zaitsev, or give him Polak again or something. Reduce his minutes. He shouldn't need to break up our best pairing just to get sheltered.

Because if Gardiner and Hainsey can take the tough matchups like they have been that leaves our best 2way defenseman in Rielly to carry Zaitsev

And don't kid yourself Zaitsev needs carrying
 

thewave

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Because if Gardiner and Hainsey can take the tough matchups like they have been that leaves our best 2way defenseman in Rielly to carry Zaitsev

And don't kid yourself Zaitsev needs carrying

I tend to agree although many seem to think Z is our best D.
 

SeaOfBlue

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Because if Gardiner and Hainsey can take the tough matchups like they have been that leaves our best 2way defenseman in Rielly to carry Zaitsev

And don't kid yourself Zaitsev needs carrying
Rielly-Zaitsev did not work at all last year. Zaitsev has been the one carrying Gardiner and has been carrying himself to a +8 rating despite everything. Zaitsev can handle himself. He just can not handle dragging a defenseman who gives the puck away all the time as well.

Really, the Leafs should just try Borgman/Dermott with Zaitsev and have Polak with Gardiner. Cut down Gardiner's minutes, at least defensively.
 

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I tend to agree although many seem to think Z is our best D.

Then there seeing something that doesn't exist

Rielly-Zaitsev did not work at all last year. Zaitsev has been the one carrying Gardiner and has been carrying himself to a +8 rating despite everything. Zaitsev can handle himself. He just can not handle dragging a defenseman who gives the puck away all the time as well.

Really, the Leafs should just try Borgman/Dermott with Zaitsev and have Polak with Gardiner. Cut down Gardiner's minutes, at least defensively.

I'd remind you that Gardiner Zaitsev hasn't exactly been a raging success either, it's sure is suspicious how everytime we stick someone beside Zaitsev here play takes a nosedive and as soon as they shift away from him they massively improve

Hell of a coincidence that

Polak is complete **** and should be sitting in the press box when those other guys back not partnering Gardiner or any young players were trying to develop
 
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Gardiner is a head case ... can be exceptional and atrocious on the same shift.

He goes to sleep and spaces out while carrying the puck.

By the way, Jack Johson has the most PK time for the BJ's
Barrie does not PK at all.

Now I like the idea of dealing with the Avs and I like the idea about Johnson.

Just not Jack or Tyson.
 

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I think we give up a pick for glendening. 28 years, RH faceoff and defensive specialist. Babs apparently loves him.
 

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JVR will command a first rounder at the deadline. Its a must he has to go. JVR can be replaced internally. Kapanen is that guy.

That first rounder is a big piece to either move for a Dman or keep the pick. Boeser was drafted recently 23rd overall. U can find pieces there.
 

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JVR will command a first rounder at the deadline. Its a must he has to go. JVR can be replaced internally. Kapanen is that guy.

That first rounder is a big piece to either move for a Dman or keep the pick. Boeser was drafted recently 23rd overall. U can find pieces there.
The way I see it, is the rest of the division is mailing it in, and we have a 15 point gap to work with. Why not trade all of the UFA's and let's see what the kids have this year instead of giving assets up for a veteran piece. We'd still give Boston/Tampa a good series regardless and can add some vets in the summer if need be. You still want to win obviously, but why not see what a Kapanen, Leivo, Sosh, Johnsson etc. could do with a regular shift.

JvR to the Islanders makes a lot of sense to me. They want to keep JT, had interest in JvR before the Hamonic deal, and JvR would want to be closer to home. They have 2 1st round picks this year, Calgarys and their own. Take one and hope that team misses the playoffs and gives you an unprotected lottery ball.
 

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JvR to the Islanders makes a lot of sense to me. They want to keep JT, had interest in JvR before the Hamonic deal, and JvR would want to be closer to home. They have 2 1st round picks this year, Calgarys and their own. Take one and hope that team misses the playoffs and gives you an unprotected lottery ball.
Isles are 2nd in nhl scoring.
Either last or next to last in goals against.

I realize it can be tough to look at BOTH teams needs,but try.

Unless JVR plays 2nd pairing D ,he is not needed on LI.
 
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