Trade Proposals and Free Agency Thread - 2017 Edition Pt. IV

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thewave

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Just go ahead and trade JVR. Not opposed to looking at him seriously in the off season. Bozak, he can go as well. Komarov too.
 

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Just go ahead and trade JVR. Not opposed to looking at him seriously in the off season. Bozak, he can go as well. Komarov too.


Don't think I've seen many worse contract years than Bozak's and Komarov's this year.
 

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Bozak has picked it up a bit the last 3-4 games, but has a long way to go to salvage the year if it's even possible. Komarov is destined for the K.

Boazk will still get paid in this league. He's a center that can contribute if used effectively and with the correct teammates.

As for Komarov, his options will be a cheap contract with the Leafs. Or the K, I agreed with this. For what he provides there isn't any reason for anyone in the NHL to pay him anymore then 1.5 million a season.
 

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Boazk will still get paid in this league. He's a center that can contribute if used effectively and with the correct teammates.

As for Komarov, his options will be a cheap contract with the Leafs. Or the K, I agreed with this. For what he provides there isn't any reason for anyone in the NHL to pay him anymore then 1.5 million a season.

I wouldn't take him at league minimum, mostly because Grundstrom is nearly ready and Kapanen is ready. But also because he isn't effective at what he does anymore, he has no offence but more importantly his defensive game has fallen off a cliff to the point that babcock started trying to use Matthews as our shutdown C
 

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I would still be a bit worried if we brought Komarov back on a cheaper deal for a 4th line role - I can see Babcock overusing him as usual. Love the guy but going back to the KHL/signing elsewhere would be best for him.
 

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I would still be a bit worried if we brought Komarov back on a cheaper deal for a 4th line role - I can see Babcock overusing him as usual. Love the guy but going back to the KHL/signing elsewhere would be best for him.

Kapanen, Johnsson and Grundstrom are very likely going to part of next years training camp and barring a bad training camp, they should be in the mix for a job. They are cheaper and more effective in every way outside of hitting a player, especially in the case of Kapanen. Heck Korshkov could also have a big camp and turn some heads.

There's no incentive to bring him back, ESPECIALLY in his current form, no matter the cap hit.
 
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Kapanen, Johnsson and Grundstrom are very likely going to part of next years training camp and barring a bad training camp, they should be in the mix for a job. They are cheaper and more effective in every way outside of hitting a player, especially in the case of Kapanen.

There's no incentive to bring him back, ESPECIALLY in his current form, no matter the cap hit.
Hard to argue with that point - he's been a favourite of mine for years but it's time to cut him loose.
 

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Hard to argue with that point - he's been a favourite of mine for years but it's time to cut him loose.

I mean I love Komarov and he's been quite a good player the last few years but it's hard to watch him play right now. It hurts quite a bit. The role he's been given just doesn't do him any justice.

He should not be playing this much and maybe that's part of the problem.
 

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I mean I love Komarov and he's been quite a good player the last few years but it's hard to watch him play right now. It hurts quite a bit. The role he's been given just doesn't do him any justice.

He should not be playing this much and maybe that's part of the problem.
That's why I've said a 4th line/PK Specialist role would suit him as he is currently. I just don't see him being used that way though.
 

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Kapanen, Johnsson and Grundstrom are very likely going to part of next years training camp and barring a bad training camp, they should be in the mix for a job. They are cheaper and more effective in every way outside of hitting a player, especially in the case of Kapanen. Heck Korshkov could also have a big camp and turn some heads.

There's no incentive to bring him back, ESPECIALLY in his current form, no matter the cap hit.

even this he has stopped doing, I think that Ovi hit he hasn't been the same Komarov since. His hits now are more bumps as opposed to the effort he use to put into them, the boards would shake if komarov would hit someone into them now he grazes them
 

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He should be playing on the fourth line with Moore and Martin. Hyman should be taking his place next to Kadri. And Marleau should be shifting next to Matthews and Nylander on top line. Its about time that these changes happening because its going south fast.
 

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Reality time, this team won't win the cup this year and JVR's value will be skyhigh. He could put some teams into the playoffs and who knows ? Everyone is saying we can't trade him... not now, I say. Nylander and Marner are in a sophmore funk and Mathews isn't 100 percent for a while. Do you see this team in the semi's ? Meh... We won't beat Tampa or Pitts and we still haven't gotten past Washington or even Boston. If something nice comes along, this team better look at it. We got drunk on the parade chatter. I see this team finishing about 10th-12th overall and JVR wont lift us into the semi's. The build isn't over and we are a major piece(top Dman) or two away(PForward with impact). That's right, in a strong draft I'm looking at 15th overall pick for JVR by TD and I'm running. This team needs to win a round before I'm selling the farm for a Karlson type guy and the PF we will still need to draft, most likely. I'm so happy another vet is having a career year right before $$$$$ days again! Sell high.
 
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Kapanen, Johnsson and Grundstrom are very likely going to part of next years training camp and barring a bad training camp, they should be in the mix for a job. They are cheaper and more effective in every way outside of hitting a player, especially in the case of Kapanen. Heck Korshkov could also have a big camp and turn some heads.

There's no incentive to bring him back, ESPECIALLY in his current form, no matter the cap hit.
Losing JVR's offense will hurt, but man am I ever excited to see a bunch of these young forwards finally break into the lineup full-time, along with a guy like Dermott or maybe even Liljegren on the blue line.

A trade, whether at the deadline or in the off-season, hardly even seems necessary with that impending injection of talent.
 

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Reality time, this team won't win the cup this year and JVR's value will be skyhigh. He could put some teams into the playoffs and who knows ? Everyone is saying we can't trade him... not now, I say. Nylander and Marner are in a sophmore funk and Mathews isn't 100 percent for a while. Do you see this team in the semi's ? Meh... We won't beat Tampa or Pitts and we still haven't gotten past Washington or even Boston. If something nice comes along, this team better look at it. We got drunk on the parade chatter. I see this team finishing about 10th-12th overall and JVR wont lift us into the semi's. The build isn't over and we are a major piece(top Dman) or two away(PForward with impact). That's right, in a strong draft I'm looking at 15th overall pick for JVR by TD and I'm running. This team needs to win a round before I'm selling the farm for a Karlson type guy and the PF we will still need to draft, most likely. I'm so happy another vet is having a career year right before $$$$$ days again! Sell high.

We cant beat Pittsburgh???? We just did. We can beat Washington? I thought we have already. We haven't even played TB yet. And are you seriously putting Boston at the same level as the Leafs?

I'm not on the parade chatter but reality is the Leafs will finish top 5 in the league. Even with all the deficiencies you point out. Nylander and Marner are not in a sophomore slump but more so being misused. They are not being used anything close to what they were last season and are still on the same pace of points as last season.

I agree on a couple of things. Matthews is worrisome with these mysterious injuries and long stretches off. And I agree that we are not complete in regards to our lineup.

But I do not think that you are correct in your projections as to where they stand. The Leafs on any given night can skate and play with anyone. They can beat anyone any given night. As the playoffs proved last season, the Leafs kept up with Washington and for that they will be better prepared this season.

All this chatter that you speak of that is bogus, is the chatter that we don't have the right to be high on this team. This team although not perfect is more closer then you think. And JVR will be part of this short term and long term. No need to trade a PForward that isn't exactly old by any stretch so we can draft another.

Do you understand drafting another means waiting on development??? Development on power forwards isn't instant and by the time they develop we lose out on the edge we currently have with JVR in our lineup who is proven and already developed at a young age.
 

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Losing JVR's offense will hurt, but man am I ever excited to see a bunch of these young forwards finally break into the lineup full-time, along with a guy like Dermott or maybe even Liljegren on the blue line.

We are talking next season at the earliest maybe even the next. JVR is the present and no one can replace what he brings today
 

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We are talking next season at the earliest maybe even the next. JVR is the present and no one can replace what he brings today
That's what I meant - next year's training camp.

Johnsson is scoring at about a PPG pace in the AHL and was one of our more noticeable and productive players even this past pre-season, so I'll eat my hat if he's not in the mix next year, especially being waiver-eligible (if I'm remembering correctly) and with Bozak, JVR, Komarov and Moore all presumably on the way out. Leivo and Kapanen are all but foregone conclusions.
 

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Teams way too Jekyll and Hyde. I think it's foolish to try and win this year while losing on assets like JVR/Komarov/Bozak. The only big loss in those 3 players is JVR. It's hefty but we may be surprised by Kappy or Leivo, if even that means 45pts pace.

Be smart Lou!
 
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That's what I meant - next year's training camp.

Johnsson is scoring at about a PPG pace in the AHL and was one of our more noticeable and productive players even this past pre-season, so I'll eat my hat if he's not in the mix next year, especially being waiver-eligible (if I'm remembering correctly) and with Bozak, JVR, Komarov and Moore all presumably on the way out. Leivo and Kapanen are all but foregone conclusions.

Listen I hope you are right but understand AHL and Pre-season doesn't translate into instant NHL success. It takes time.

Also, keep in mind of the players that you are stating wont be around next season 2 of them are currently starting centers for the Leafs. If like you say Leivo and Kapanen are forgone conclusions to be part of the big club, they are wingers. Which would mean centers are needed!!!!! Unless Johnnson can play center which from what I know he cant. My guess is that he will get a shot to make club, but there will be needs that need to be filled prior to him becoming an everyday NHLer. And I think it will do him some good getting more reps against AHL north American talent for another season.
 

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With Leo dipping both offensively and defensively this season I wonder if management will be more inclined to sell him and rely on Leivo and Kapanen to fill in the gaps.

JVR isn’t being traded unless it’s for a hockey trade: they’ll milk him for his offense and then wish him all the best in free agency.
 

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I mean I love Komarov and he's been quite a good player the last few years but it's hard to watch him play right now. It hurts quite a bit. The role he's been given just doesn't do him any justice.

He should not be playing this much and maybe that's part of the problem.

Agreed. Babcock tends to play the hell out of certain guys that are in over their head. Hunwick was a great example. Komarov, one could argue Hyman
 

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With Leo dipping both offensively and defensively this season I wonder if management will be more inclined to sell him and rely on Leivo and Kapanen to fill in the gaps.

JVR isn’t being traded unless it’s for a hockey trade: they’ll milk him for his offense and then wish him all the best in free agency.

The guy is playing in every top situation on the team for Babcock. PK, PP and EV. There's no way they trade him away. I'd be shocked.
 

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The guy is playing in every top situation on the team for Babcock. PK, PP and EV. There's no way they trade him away. I'd be shocked.

But the numbers are also clear as day that he’s grossly underperforming. Management can’t be totally blind to that.

I agree that Babcock may not want to trade him, but I wonder how unanimous that is within the entire management group.

Of all then forthcoming UFAs he’s the easiest to replace
 

thewave

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The guy is playing in every top situation on the team for Babcock. PK, PP and EV. There's no way they trade him away. I'd be shocked.

I get where you are coming from and agree he is important defensively. Of Boz, JVR, Kom I could see Komarov having the most real world usefulness to us in a PO situation.
 
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