Discussion in 'Montreal Canadiens' started by sampollock, Nov 20, 2017.
I edited my post to account for that while you were replying
Good job. Why can't our GM come up with stuff like this? I think we know why -- he wouldn't want to lose face by moving Alzner only a few months after making him his acquisition of the summer.
Sometimes the best move is admitting your mistake, accepting it’s a bad fit for both parties and move along.
Of course, the very best move would have been not to sign the likes of Alzner to begin with, which wouldn't now place us in a position to have to have to consider contracts for players we would not have otherwise been chasing.
Can't help but think that a more efficient pro scouting dept. wouldn't have recommended committing 5 years to a defensive specialist with a lot of mileage on him.
You want our GM to trade Alzner for Lucic? You want to take 2 years more of a contract for more money- to receive the same production?
Yes, we need a forward or two, but Lucic isnt the answer.
I'd dislike MB more for making that trade , than if he kept Alzner until his contract expires.
I would take the contract depending on the offset that comes with Lucic, who adds an element of physicality and size that the team doesn't have enough of.
Would I prefer Lucic? Well, what else are you going to get for Alzner?
Just to get a good reading on Alzner's value, I don't remember too many suitors for him this past summer. MB was negotiating against himself, for all the wrong reasons, was probably panicked at gutting out the whole left side of his D and ended up lunging for a contract he shouldn't have been in a position to show interest for.
Who would you move Alzner for? You first have to find someone who is actually interested, lol.
man, if we could somehow get Draisaitl, we could ice a line of Drouin-Draisaitl-Galchenyuk, back-to-back-to-back 3OA picks
how COOL would that be?!
honestly though I could see that line actually working.
whaterver 1m retained, who cares about 1 mil. I think this is what bergy's cookin up, if its tavares well, lol that would make hf waaay more fun
Fair enough. He was a 50 pointer last year, not sure why he is struggling. The centre I would ideally like to get in return is Chytil, but he is a project, probably would profit from a whole year, of development in the A, as an 18 year old, going forward. Maybe in the offseason. I was just trying to demonstrate how one more quality centre over a quality winger, struggling, completes the lineup more.
yep, that would be nice.
absolutely, they need one more to put everyone in their correct spot. I would leave Danault and Pleks in their spots this season and move Drouin to the wing.
Anyway, my choice ... as far as big names are concerned ... would be RNH. Still young(ish), defensively responsible, still puts up points ( tied with Drai in pts with 20), might actually be available if Patch was offered, unlike Drai.
Soft, sure, but so is the Captain, so we don't lose there.
If we trade with EDM it needs to be for RNH.
Patches + Lindgren + Alzner + McCarron for:
RNH + Lucic + Puljujarvi + 2018 1st
I didn't say he's available...just said I'd love to have him on the Habs.
I know he's had his issues with their head coach though, but I'm sure he'll outlast Blashill
9.5 MILL to spend, and I am worried what MB will do, 3 3rd liners coming sigh,
Bergevin if you want to make up for your blunders and lack of courage in the off season....not going all in going after a player like Schenn.....getting Radulov signed......and if you want to win then you need to make impact moves....Buffalo is open for business......Poehling,Juulse,Lindgren,1st round pick for ROR and Ristolainen....then you trade Pacioretty to the Blues to get under the cap and get back what you lost in the Buffalo trade....Thomas,1st round pick and a young goalie Husso.
AND YET, MB wonders why we struggle as a team...
have to have 2 scoring lines , duh
Sorry, when I read the "wonder if he's really available" portion of your post, I took that to mean you heard or read it somewhere that he was.
Exactly..i don't think we should touch the idea of trading Poehling...we may regret that for years to come, I think we would have to add something though because we would be getting a long term signed Draisaitl. So maybe a 2nd or meh prospect as an add or maybe something conditional on Patches signing?
Adding size and grit is nice and would be welcome but not at the expense of speed. We saw what adding that grit in Ott,King and Martinsen gave us. Sure they threw a few hits but couldnt skate faster than a grandmother with fresh knee replacements. I think Lucic is just more of that. Playing with McDavid covers alot of that up.
I think there were a few suitors for Alzner, he just came out of the gate saying his preference was to play in Montreal - do it wasnt too hard to negotiate. I personally dont think he is worth that contract but that is his market value in todays nhl. I dont think he is greatly overpaid.
As far as what we can get, im not too sure myself. Id almost be more inclined to take a draft pick at this point. The thing is, i dont think moving Alzner should be MB priority. Trading Max is lol
Yuck...he's been finished since his days in Boston. He skates like he's got a piano on his back.
He's got his use as a player, but his contract is prohibitive at best.
I wouldn't swap Alzner for Lucic...no thank you
you make a lot of good points. looking at it your way, i would actually do it...as listed in the first deal. If we get Drai to play C we could potentially trade Pleks at the deadline for maybe at late first? (stretch i know) or at least a 2nd...which could be a way to make up for losing that pick....i'm just spinning my wheels now...
Only shot at a guy like Draisatl is to offer up Weber. I think the Oil would be interested as it would instantly significantly improve their D and leadership.
or six 4th liners.
there is one major difference...One is a C that we desperately need. We need to fill 2 C positions on this team. This takes care of a huge hole for the Habs.
I understand that...but we're also filling a need (center) by creating another (winger).
I mean sure, you could say we could move Drouin to the wing, Galchenyuk, Byron, Lehkonen, Hudon...etc
We have options in terms of wingers.
However none of those players are proven goal scorers the way Pacioretty is. I mean you have Galchenyuk who has 1 30 goal season, Drouin has 1 20 goal season, Byron 1 20 goal season.
But I would be careful to assume we could replace the goals we'd lose with Pacioretty...I'd also be careful to assume Draisaitl could replicate the numbers he has with EDM, with MTL.
Pacioretty for Giroux?