Proposal: Trade proposal thread - Trades are Needed---Who goes 1st?

[WinterLion]

they are a #1 centre and a top D man from making the playoffs, not winning cup, just making

Actually, They are 3 points back. After a terrible start and with more than half the season to go. I think your statement is a bit drastic, no?

 

[groovejuice]

nope, the subban/rads threads won't go away....

I don't know why they should. They're both huge decisions by Bergevin that affect the team profoundly going forward, or backward.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I came back to the Habs forum to see if there are any new interesting ideas.

Nope. Still long-winded arguments about the Subban-Weber trade.

Do people actually think that the biggest trade in the Canadien's recent history wont be debated?

People never stopped talking about the Gomez trade and that happened almost 8 years ago.

 

[WinterLion]

Of course we will discuss the Subban and Drouin trades. What gets me is how many people can't seem to accept that these are both actually pretty even deals. One team might end up ahead or behind at the end of the day, but really in both these deals, both GM's got pretty decent value for what they traded away. Like them or not.

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

Honestly this team is not that far away. Drouin is the most skilled player we have had in a long time and has a great motor. Our D is solid and bigger than it has been in ages, but is definitely missing a puck mover. Danault is a good young 2-3rd line tweener. Plekanec is a very solid player, but I think that upgrading him would have a big impact. I would be looking to trade him at the deadline, whether we are making the playoffs or not. It will be a tough move to make, but I think MB will be able to get a good return like he did with Weise & Flash. The other big question is whether Patches is here for good or not. If not, then this would be a great time to move him.

Far away from what?

 

[The Great Weal]

Honestly this team is not that far away.

Yes it is.

 

[sampollock]

I don't know why they should. They're both huge decisions by Bergevin that affect the team profoundly going forward, or backward.

thing is there is threads for this debate, and yet every thread has this going on

 

[Pacciosoftie]

Far away from what?

From getting the #1 overall Dahlin clearly.

 

[groovejuice]

thing is there is threads for this debate, and yet every thread has this going on

I agree the discussion shouldn't be haphazardly split between all the threads. But certainly the Bergevin and Trade threads are appropriate outside of the Out of Town threads.

 

[theghost1]

Pacioretty,Scherbak,JDLR,Schlemko for Guentzel,Sprong,Hagelin,Cole.

 

[theghost1]

Alzner,Lindgren,Shaw to the Isles for Sorokin,Halak,Toews,Bernier AHL veteran then flip Halak to the Oilers for a draft pick.....the Islanders even if the sign Tavares will have a ton of cap space in the off season and have 3 veteran D-men who are UFA.....Seidenberg,Hickey,de Haan.

 

[The Great Weal]

I think edm would be desperate enough to overpay for Shaw. And I think we have to take advantage of that.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

thing is there is threads for this debate, and yet every thread has this going on

This is the point I was trying to make. It's a "Trade Proposal Thread" but 80% of it is taken up by people arguing about a trade that happened 15months ago. People who actually have trade ideas they want to discuss can't get a word in edgewise.

 

[No More Subban]

Max goes first. Still has a high value, lots of teams would immediately call MB for this guy.

MB only has to get the word out.

 

[sampollock]

Max goes first. Still has a high value, lots of teams would immediately call MB for this guy.

MB only has to get the word out.

agree 100%, thing is will MB do it right? or want to??

 

[De Montreal]

Pacioretty,Scherbak,JDLR,Schlemko for Guentzel,Sprong,Hagelin,Cole.

Sure

 

[No More Subban]

agree 100%, thing is will MB do it right? or want to??

Of course not.. I really don't trust him

 

[Fazkovsky]

The answer is within the room

Who needs good defencemen and centres

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Honestly this team is not that far away. Drouin is the most skilled player we have had in a long time and has a great motor. Our D is solid and bigger than it has been in ages, but is definitely missing a puck mover. Danault is a good young 2-3rd line tweener. Plekanec is a very solid player, but I think that upgrading him would have a big impact. I would be looking to trade him at the deadline, whether we are making the playoffs or not. It will be a tough move to make, but I think MB will be able to get a good return like he did with Weise & Flash. The other big question is whether Patches is here for good or not. If not, then this would be a great time to move him.

1. Yes we are far away
2. Drouin is the most skilled player we’ve had in a long time? What constitutes a long time? He’s arguably not even better than Galchenyuk, he’s DEFINITELY not better than Radulov (at least not yet), and isn’t a top player at his position like Subban was during his time here.

Is this bizarro world?

 

[mariolemieux66]

Honestly this team is not that far away. Drouin is the most skilled player we have had in a long time and has a great motor. Our D is solid and bigger than it has been in ages, but is definitely missing a puck mover. Danault is a good young 2-3rd line tweener. Plekanec is a very solid player, but I think that upgrading him would have a big impact. I would be looking to trade him at the deadline, whether we are making the playoffs or not. It will be a tough move to make, but I think MB will be able to get a good return like he did with Weise & Flash. The other big question is whether Patches is here for good or not. If not, then this would be a great time to move him.

This team needs a complete rebuild and changes throughout the organization from top to bottom.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Melnyk is talking again. I'm actually starting to believe Karlsson might get traded.

Melnyk is such a harbinger of good news, well, for us anyway. If you're a Sens fan he's a complete blowhard.

Talk about putting the controversy into the 100th anniversary.

 

[Tuggy]

Melnyk is talking again. I'm actually starting to believe Karlsson might get traded.

Melnyk is such a harbinger of good news, well, for us anyway. If you're a Sens fan he's a complete blowhard.

Talk about putting the controversy into the 100th anniversary.

Owners should not be vocal to the media about player relations/movement.

 

[Omar]

Of course we will discuss the Subban and Drouin trades. What gets me is how many people can't seem to accept that these are both actually pretty even deals. One team might end up ahead or behind at the end of the day, but really in both these deals, both GM's got pretty decent value for what they traded away. Like them or not.

Personally I don’t think you have a clue. The Drouin trade I’m ok with. The Subban trade showed a complete lack of judgement on our ability to challenge. Bergevin completely over valued the team he had and thought we were Stanley Cup contenders. We’re far from it and he reduced our window to win significantly. Subban was at a better age to grow with this core. Weber is a great player but he’ll be passed his peak when we’re ready to challenge. And where will Subban be at that time?

This team might be 3 points out. But the Bruins have played a handful of fewer games than us and still have more points. They have a better winning percentage than we do. We’re more likely to end up in the bottom 3 looking at our next 9 games.

Anyways some people will always be positive and not be realistic. All the power to you but personally I don’t think there’s a sane argument to suggest this team can make the playoffs without a major overhaul of this team. The only way to fix this team is through the draft.

 

[Lebowski]

I think edm would be desperate enough to overpay for Shaw. And I think we have to take advantage of that.

Edmonton need cap space as it is... I don't think they're desperate to overpay for a 4M 3rd liner.

Personally I don’t think you have a clue. The Drouin trade I’m ok with. The Subban trade showed a complete lack of judgement on our ability to challenge. Bergevin completely over valued the team he had and thought we were Stanley Cup contenders. We’re far from it and he reduced our window to win significantly. Subban was at a better age to grow with this core. Weber is a great player but he’ll be passed his peak when we’re ready to challenge. And where will Subban be at that time?

This team might be 3 points out. But the Bruins have played a handful of fewer games than us and still have more points. They have a better winning percentage than we do. We’re more likely to end up in the bottom 3 looking at our next 9 games.

Anyways some people will always be positive and not be realistic. All the power to you but personally I don’t think there’s a sane argument to suggest this team can make the playoffs without a major overhaul of this team. The only way to fix this team is through the draft.

Even the argument that he was going for the cup doesn't work in the context of the Weber-Subban trade. Weber had not been better than Subban for a number of years when it happened. Heck, Subban had the better track record leading to the trade.

It's a move that was made to appeal to the head coach and nothing more. A head coach he ended up firing 6 months later.

 

[SquiddFX]

Of course we will discuss the Subban and Drouin trades. What gets me is how many people can't seem to accept that these are both actually pretty even deals. One team might end up ahead or behind at the end of the day, but really in both these deals, both GM's got pretty decent value for what they traded away. Like them or not.

I am curious. How did we get good value by flipping our number one D for a guy 3 years older? Weber has been the opposite defensively than what he was portrayed as. He isn't physical and he has brought pretty much nothing leadership wise. So where did we win?