Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Off-season Editon

Discussion in 'Montreal Canadiens' started by montreal, May 29, 2018.

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Would you take a gamble on Nail Yakupov for leauge minium contract?

  1. yes

    40.6%
  2. no

    59.4%
  1. Big Daddy Cane

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    I thought that initially, honestly, but Friedman speculated that it was in fact at least partially a case of management structure. Francis was thought to have been “ too secretive.”

    Go to ~21:55:

    May 29, 2018: What Happens In Vegas... - Sportsnet.ca

    Friedman’s thesis that Dundon is trying to determine what’s on the roster by how much they’re worth is relevant here. For a total novice, that’s actually a good idea. I wish he would have phrased it differently, as when fans and likely GMs, as well, hear “all but…” is available, the first thought is that of a mythical fire sale and an opportunity to get a good asset for less than you should. That’s not what’s going on here.
     
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    Pierre McGuire said he’ll take Brady Tkachuk over Filip Zadina.
     
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    Yes, that was your proposed offer. I wonder if that would lead to a meaningful discussion.
     
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    LeBrun
    First and second overall are locks.
    Dahlin and Svechnikov.
    Hurricanes keeping the pick.
    Lots of interesting could happen at 3 when the Habs pick. Could trade down for established NHL player or players.
     
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    I honestly believe he only said that because its Keith's son.
     
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    Lol. So your owner wants play offs now but not at the expense of the long term ? Probably not uncommon demand by an owner , guessing drives GMs nuts as you just have to pick a lane.

    Since you have checked our board , what would you say to Galchenyuk, Gallagher and 3rd OA for Lindholm, Hanifin and 2nd OA ?
     
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    McGuire is one of the dumbest people in hockey he has never been a GM and was one of the worst head coaches in league history there is a reason he has not worked in the nhl in 25 years ...nobody wants him.....all those ex coaches or Gm's they are all on tv because they were terrible,,,,,Button,Maclean,Milbury.
     
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    That’s why he isn’t a coach or a gm or a scout
     
  9. Boom Boom Apathy

    Boom Boom Apathy Sooo Good

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    Yeah, I can see the dichotomy in that statement. I think what he means is he's willing to make trades to make the team better, even using picks/prospects, but he's not going to trade for a bunch of older vets at the expense of young players just to get into the playoffs short term. ie...they aren't looking to do something stupid just to make the playoffs. So if they move Hanifin for a similar age/potential center that could make the team better, they'd probably do it. If they can package up some of their prospects and picks (not 1st OA) for a young (ish) player, they'd probably do it. A deal for a guy like ROR might be enticing as he has a lot of legs left, etc.... So some trades to bring in young(ish) guys is reasonable.

    What they won't likely do is go after guys that are UFAs in 1 year , or trade a good young guys for a 30+ something guy. In the end, unless the solve the goalie situation, it doesn't matter who else they bring in.

    I think value-wise, it's a reasonable proposal. I don't think the Canes would do it though for a couple of reasons:
    1) Lindholm looked pretty good at center to end last year so moving him and then moving Hanifin without getting a C back makes it risky. Maybe getting away from MTL, Galchenyuk could play C, but I'm not sure on that.
    2) Canes would be giving up younger assets with longer control vs. Galchenyuk and Gallagher having 2 and 3 years left on their deals before becoming UFAs.
    3) I truly think it's more than posturing that the Canes think Svech is a clear #2 in this draft. Dundon has directly said "it's not even close". I really think they have their mind made up.

    Being very upfront here, I haven't watched enough of the Habs to have a good enough read on your players, so my insight to them is somewhat limited.
     
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    I think they expect a lot for Hanifin and even more for the 2OA. Would you scale it down to Gallagher, Galchenyuk and the 3OA for Hanifin and the 2OA? Even then, who knows what else should be in play.

    BBA -- how much interest would you say there might be for the above 3 for 2 offer or is it too far off the mark?
     
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    This team can't score goals...I don't know how comfortable I'd sending them 2 guys who can 30
     
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    I know, shows you how thin this team is in so many areas.

    Assuming we'd be proposing Gallagher and the 3OA and not Galchenyuk for Hanifin and 2OA. Who would you say would be assets that can be added to replace Galchenyuk and that might interest the Canes? And Gallagher absolutely needs to be there as a key piece in the deal.

    So:

    Habs trade: 3OA, Gallagher and ????

    Canes trade: 2OA, Hanifin
     
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    Poehling
     
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    Fair enough. I thought Canes might be interested in Gallagher because he can score but despite his size is very tough to play against, which is something I read the Canes want. As for Galchenyuk, I , like many Habs think he can play centre, but no that is not a certainty. However, he scores goals a lot better than Lindholm, so I thought the interest could be there.

    So no to the big proposal. Any interest in say Gallagher for Hanifin ? Galchenyuk for Lindholm ? Or all 4 players, with a tweak here or so, but leaving out the 1sts ?
     
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    oh here we go now...
     
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    there goona f this up...lol

    i can hear it ...

    Bettman:we got a TRADE TO ANNOUNCE

    Habs fans: run and hide under the bed..with hands over ears

    Bettman: Montreal trade the 3rd over to ..................
     
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    Pierre is a bag of hot air,
     
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    Montreal trades 3rd overall to Columbus for ........
     
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    nah, Trevor Timmins on draft night: Le cloob da haw-key Canadien eh fier de select-tioner, the Montreal Canadiens are proud to select, from the Halifax Mooseheads...
     
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    I agree on being more keen to pick up Hanifin than Lindholm. On the ? Side I think historically the 38th should do it, but that is in a vacuum, meaning if they really like Svech that just will not do it, and you get into unacceptable overpay. Top I would do is 38th and Shaw for their interest in being tougher to play against.
     
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    Interesting. I wonder how much the Canes would value Poehling. Who knows.

    So 3OA, Gallagher and Poehling for 2OA, Hanifin. Is this a reasonable offer?
     
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    why we trading Gally?????
     
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    Would you do it if you were Carolina?

    If not, it's probably not a reasonable offer.
     
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    We know MB is desperate for roster ready character and he indicated as much at the TDL.
    At the same time we have the rebuild through the draft rumor.
    When will this team come out and do what they say like the Rangers did.
    They are the ones that have a plan.
     
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    I really believe Shaw is a poison pill and should not be offered other than in a deal with some other team if considering taking on an even more toxic asset.

    So you believe the 38th would be enough to tilt the balance, instead of Poehling?

    You'd propose: Gallagher, 3OA plus 38th for Hanifin and 2OA?

    I think they'd value Poehling much more instead of the 38th, FWIW.
     

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