Trade Proposal. Red Wings vs Islanders

[Redder Winger]

Say the Red Wings draft 6th.
And the Vegas pick is a 23rd.

Would you traded 6th + 23rd
for
the Islanders 10th and 12th (estimates)

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[WingedWheel1987]

What am i supposed to do with a 10th and 12th overall pick on a team that needs elite talent?

 

[Redder Winger]

What am i supposed to do with a 10th and 12th overall pick on a team that needs elite talent?

Do you think you're going to get elite at 6? But not 10?
For example - the following 5 guys went 10-15 in a mock draft on HF
Evan Bouchard, Quinn Hughes, Isac Lundestrom, Barrety Hayton, Bode Wilde, Joel Farabee.

The guys who went 6-9, for example are:
Dobson, SMith, Walstrom
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2018-7-round-mock-draft-2-0.2456591/

So in this case you could pick Hughes and Bouchard and double your chances that one of those guys hits big.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

10th and 12th overall pick just gives the Wings more mediocre teams.

I'll take my chances with the 6th overall pick.

 

[Redder Winger]

10th and 12th overall pick just gives the Wings more mediocre teams.

I don't understand your rationale.
Do you think the guy you draft at 6 is much likelier to be a star than the guy you draft at 10?

I think the guy you draft at 12 is much likelier to be a star than the guy you draft at 23.

 

[kliq]

Say the Red Wings draft 6th.
And the Vegas pick is a 23rd.

Would you traded 6th + 23rd
for
the Islanders 10th and 12th (estimates)

Interesting proposition. I think it all comes down to the depth in that top 12. If you think you can grab 2 top D-men, or 1 top forward and 1 top D-man, I think I would do it.

I dont know enough about the prospects to really give a strong opinion though.

 

[kliq]

10th and 12th overall pick just gives the Wings more mediocre teams.

I'll take my chances with the 6th overall pick.

Depends on the players, its not as simple as where someone is picked. Its not as if #6 = elite while #10 = mediocre.

Hopefully we pick #1 and this is a moot point.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

I think 10th is too late for my tastes. 8th or 9th and we're talking, but 10th and all the good players are probably gone.

 

[Ezekial]

Good thread idea, Redder.

I'm gonna say no, solely because I love the top 9 prospects in this draft. But we could get 2 really good players with both those picks. For reference Owen Tippett and Martin Necas were last years 10 and 12, I'd take both of them.

I don't think either team does it tbh.


Edit: Shit, wasn't Charlie McAvoy around there too?

Good players are to be had in that range.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

I don't understand your rationale.
Do you think the guy you draft at 6 is much likelier to be a star than the guy you draft at 10?

I think the guy you draft at 12 is much likelier to be a star than the guy you draft at 23.

I want nothing to do with 10-12th overall picks. They are literally worthless to this organization.

6th overall probably isn't enough either, but i don't expect the Wings to get anywhere until they start to draft in the bottom three.

 

[Henkka]

I wouldn't do that trade.

Keep the 6th and wait something good to slide on the 23rd.

It depends of the draft, and this is so deep. Some other year the deal could be possible.

Usually you have to pay more of that raise from 10th --> 6th, than the proposed deal. Lower rounds involved.

 

[kliq]

I wouldn't do that trade.

Keep the 6th and wait something good to slide on the 23rd.

It depends of the draft, and this is so deep. Some other year the deal could be possible.

Usually you have to pay more of that raise from 10th --> 6th, than the proposed deal. Lower rounds involved.

Exactly, it all depends on who's available.

 

[Martinez]

Ty Smith could be there at 10. But I don’t like the guys at 12 that much more than 23 so I’d probably keep my 6th overall pick and get the guy I like the most out of hughes, Bouchard, wahlstrom, Dobson.

 

[rhef3]

Ty smith and Veleno sounds pretty good to me at 10 and 12, I guess it boils down to who slips and do we like them better.

 

[Hawaiibros]

I would absolutely do it, you get whoever is left of the boquist/Hughes/bouchard/dobson/smith and then if something from the top 10 you get them or you get lundstrom or hayton or wilde. Staying in the group of 10 is definitely worth it

 

[jkutswings]

Can anybody dig up Frk It's data for average production by draft slot? The math might help us form a more educated opinion.

 

[Henkka]

Can anybody dig up Frk It's data for average production by draft slot? The math might help us form a more educated opinion.

Don't know about the production data, but here's the draft pick value chart:

http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/DraftPickValueChart2016_Schuckers.pdf

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

A good guide here to the slot value of Draft picks.

What does it cost to trade up in the draft?

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Detroit has plenty of middle tier talent. They'd be farther ahead to try to use Vegas pick to move up, which probably wont happen.

They should be picking as high as they possibly can.

 

[datsyukfan]

This team is just so bad

 

[Frk It]

Can anybody dig up Frk It's data for average production by draft slot? The math might help us form a more educated opinion.

Most of the data I have posted is from here: BLUE BULLET REPORT

But it’s hard to benchmark this trade because they lump all 8-15 picks together.

Personally I’d prefer to keep our first pick as high as possible, then maybe try to trade up from the later first rounder. Or maybe package some of those 3rds for an extra 2nd.

 

[Go Wings]

Say the Red Wings draft 6th.
And the Vegas pick is a 23rd.

Would you traded 6th + 23rd
for
the Islanders 10th and 12th (estimates)

An interesting idea for sure but I would not do it. It is very likely that Hughes, Dobson and Bouchard get picked between 6-9. There will be some good forwards available at 10 and 12 (Veleno is not one of them he is likely going to fall in the draft for good reason). Detroit needs defensmen badly and this is the perfect chance to get a blue chip one

 

[Go Wings]

Good thread idea, Redder.

I'm gonna say no, solely because I love the top 9 prospects in this draft. But we could get 2 really good players with both those picks. For reference Owen Tippett and Martin Necas were last years 10 and 12, I'd take both of them.

I don't think either team does it tbh.


Edit: ****, wasn't Charlie McAvoy around there too?

Good players are to be had in that range.

Yah because Detroit was too stupid to take Necas like they should have. They thought it was 1990 and focused on size and character instead of speed and skill like they should have.

 

[Redder Winger]

An interesting idea for sure but I would not do it. It is very likely that Hughes, Dobson and Bouchard get picked between 6-9. There will be some good forwards available at 10 and 12 (Veleno is not one of them he is likely going to fall in the draft for good reason). Detroit needs defensmen badly and this is the perfect chance to get a blue chip one

I look at a guy like Bode Wilde, who, next to Dahlin, probably has the most complete package in the draft among defensemen.

If you get Wilde and Veleno - that's potentially a pretty nice win.
Or maybe Ty Smith is the guy with Veleno. Or Kotkaniemi instead of Veleno.

 

[Go Wings]

I look at a guy like Bode Wilde, who, next to Dahlin, probably has the most complete package in the draft among defensemen.

If you get Wilde and Veleno - that's potentially a pretty nice win.
Or maybe Ty Smith is the guy with Veleno. Or Kotkaniemi instead of Veleno.

That isn't true at all. Dobson is the most complete package other than Dahlin. Bode has a lot of developing to do. As for Veleno do we really need another 2nd or more likely 3rd line center??? I would much rather have Dobson and then someone around Vegas' pick then Bode and Veleno.