Proposal: Toronto - Vancouver

Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by justafan22, Apr 14, 2018.

  1. gianni

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    In addition to that, Jake Virtanen played a bottom-6 role this past season, and had the lowest atoi team (when compared w/ regulars whom more than half the games). He definitely still has Chris Kreider potential if he has better linemates; at the same age, Kreider had 3pts in 23 GP.


    Nah, most reasonable Canucks fans haven't replied to this thread. Chris Tanev would be kept around even if the Nucks were lucky enough to draft Rasmus Dahlin in June -- a team can never have enough good d-men.

    Historically, the #25 pick has a 90% failure rate; esp if it's for a top-pairing RHD:
    Jiri Fischer
    Mikhail Kuleshov
    Steve Ott
    Alexander Perezhogin
    Cam Ward
    Anthony Stewart
    Rob Schremp
    Andrew Cogliano
    Patrik Berglund
    Patrick White
    Greg Nemisz
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    Quinton Howden
    Stuart Percy
    Jordan Schmaltz
    Michael McCarron
    David Pastrnak
    Jack Roslovic
    Riley Tufte
    Ryan Poehling
     
  2. Son of Petter

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    We may have never had the good fortune of finishing last, but over the past 3 seasons, the Canucks have the fewest points in the NHL.

    So depending on the sample size you pick, you could say the Canucks are, in fact, the worst team in the league that went on a hot streak at the worst possible time this year.
     
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    well they wanted other teams proposals so you have made buffalo's for them.
     
  5. GoodbyeLuongo

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    Fair point
     
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    I still don't get it....I copy & pasted his trade proposal but replaced Tanev with Pettersson.

    What did I screw up?
     
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    So why does he spend so much time on the IR ?
     
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    I'd be open to Sharks 2018 2nd + Leafs 2019 1st + either Kapanen or Leafs 2019 2nd. Same deal NYI got for Hamonic
     
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    So are the Tanev proposals. That was the joke....
     
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    He blocks a lot of shots. I think at least half, if not the majority of his injuries come from shot blocking. Also, our blue line sucks so he ends up playing big minutes and is probably relied on far too much. Part of it could be his biology and whatnot but some of it is definitely circumstantial.
     
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    He logs big minutes and blocks a ton of shots. He's also had some pretty brutal luck (the measles, taking a shot to the teeth). He's not an iron man by any means, but he's not just getting stick checked and breaking bones. It's because of the way he plays and the amount he plays. Plus I think he probably has a herniated disc from carrying the Canucks defense on his back the past few years
     
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    Right... because Calgary is loving that deal right now and would make it again.
     
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    The deal breaker was how high their 1st turned out to be. If they tracked like they had hoped, the deal would have been fair (mid/late 1st).
     
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    The difference is Tanev last 4 seasons he has played 70, 69, 53 and 42 games. He won't return a 1st and 2 2nds I personally think.

    Also any team trading for him is likely going to use him in the same way. Lots of shot blocking and defensive play so those injuries likely only occur more as he ages.
     
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    I'd do TOR's 1st + SJ's 2nd + a conditional 2019 2nd*





    *75 games played minimum next season. Any less and the pick disappears.
     
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    Nah we do need a D man but we need one that actually plays and isn't injury prone
     
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    I will never understand why Leaf fans want a guy that has missed a total of 69 games over the past 2 seasons and has never played above 70 games.

    give me a real D man, one that you can depend on to actually play
     
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    Hamonic's last 4 seasons are pretty comparable, 71, 72, 49, 74. That averages out to about 10 games more a season over 4 years. Lets not forget Tanev is also a much better player than Hamonic.

    I would not do that. only 46% of d-men played 75+ games this season. Thats calculated by 6 d-men per 31 teams. that means that 54% of d-men would not meet that requirement. Over the last 3 seasons, the average is only 41% of d-men can play 75+ games.
     
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    I guess almost 50% of d-men in the NHL are not "real" since thats how many failed to play 71+ games this season. If Hamonic, whom in your books is not a real d-man since he averages less than 71 games a season over his career, can fetch a 1st + 2 2nds, I wonder how much a "real" d-man costs
     
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    No no, he's NEVER played 71 games and has only played 70 once.
     
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    Fair enough. 70 games would work too, though that's still close to his career high, No?
    Any less than that and he's a sunk asset
     
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    If you're talking averages, best run those numbers again for Tanev.
    He runs more risk than any defenseman I can think of so that need to be considered.
     
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    So what is a real d-man then? Tanev averages 60 games a year since he became a NHL regular, given the type of injuries he had this past season, I expect that average to increase at the end of next season.
     
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    70 is a fair number. However given that he is a much better player than Hamonic, that condition means there should be more value coming back than what Hamonic got. The reason I valued him similarly to Hamonic is due to the fact you're likely to get 60-65 games a year not 70. If we are going to hold him to the 70 games you're likely to get with Hamonic, then the condition should then allow for compensation to Tanev's full value which IMO is moderately above Hamonic.

    I would do a SJ 2nd this year + Leafs 1st next year + SJ 2nd next year for Tanev with no condition. If the 70 game condition is added, I would want it to be Leafs 1st this year SJ 2nd this year + swap of Leafs 1st for the Canucks 2nd next year if tanev plays 70 or more games.

    You guys can either give up a late 2nd and run the risk Tanev will stay healthy. Other option is bet against his health and potentially downgrade from a 1st (probably late) to a 2nd (probably early) or save yourselves a late 2nd if the conditon goes unmet
     
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