Proposal: Toronto - Vancouver

[Scott Stevens]

Leaf fans may be down because of a bad 2 games. But we aren't crazy enough to drink the Canuck-Kool-aid on their player value.

Good thing not a word typed on this site actually means anything in the nhl. The evil Canucks fans would run roughshod over the pure hearted teams with their ridiculous demands.

 

[Cogburn]

Like a bad rash this came back and stuck around.

I'm still reading a lot of response to Canucks fans reading like Tanev has demanded a trade to Toronto. Near as we can tell, he's happy here. We have had a number of players expressly request not to be traded, team situation be damned.

I'm more then happy having Tanev for his Leaf fan estimated 30 games in each of his next 4 seasons until he retires from a broken everything at once he receives during a no contact drill. He means more to the team, such as the team is, then a late first and a prospect that doesnt hurt you to move.

All fun and my snarkiness aside, we're cool keeping him to help develop our presently poor crop of future D. I'd feel stronger about Juolevi without jagged defensive edges then about a late pick and Nielsen (Nielson?).

Toronto doesn't have the futures available for trade that we would need to upgrade our team in the future, being later picks and that most of their top talent has graduated very recently, and a vocal minority seem to think Tanev wouldn't upgrade their team enough to merit what we would ask.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Would the addition of either Sparks or Pickard help grease the wheels in a trade for Tanev?

Sparks:

2017-2018	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	0	-	-	|
	Toronto Marlies	AHL	43	1.79	.936

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Pickard:

2017-2018	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	1	3.81	.857	|
	Toronto Marlies	AHL	33	2.31	.918

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Courtesy of CapFriendly.

Maybe as an add in (partial to Pickard as a Thunderbirds fan) but with Demko almost certainly in Vancouver next year the need isn’t huge

 

[meefer]

Maybe as an add in (partial to Pickard as a Thunderbirds fan) but with Demko almost certainly in Vancouver next year the need isn’t huge

Thanks for the input.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Nah.
At most, Tanev is worth Toronto's 1st (looking to be a decent mid 1st) and an average prospect.
Any more and it's likely an easy pass from Toronto.

 

[firstemperor]

Well, it's happened again. Tanev would be a good fit here, no doubt. But he simply can't stay healthy. If he can't stay healthy in the regular season, I lack the confidence he can stay healthy with the demands and rigors of playoff level hockey. That about says it all from the Leafs side of things.

 

[rent free]

You either pay the price to get the good players or you pay the price of losing in the playoffs. Nobody in their right mind would’ve picked that defense to win a round. The young Leafs will learn that defense tightens up in the playoffs which exposes their biggest weakness however there are other options than just Tanev. What about Gudbranson for a 1st?

Gudbranson and your first for a first I would consider.

 

[Jared Dunn]

If he could string together a couple healthy seasons I'm sure Toronto would give up a solid prospect + 1st for him because he fits like a glove, but he hasn't been able to and Vancouver isn't going to give him up for less than that.

 

[13 others]

Tanev is garbage. No way.

If that's true he'd fit right in with the Leafs D.

 

[Cogburn]

If he could string together a couple healthy seasons I'm sure Toronto would give up a solid prospect + 1st for him because he fits like a glove, but he hasn't been able to and Vancouver isn't going to give him up for less than that.

In all fairness though, Vancouver defensemen can't stay healthy here. Keith Ballard and Dan Hamhuis are key examples of this. Both were veritable iron men, and the Canucks just....broke them.

Ohlund, final injury aside, is also evidence of this. Salo too. Adrian Aucoin and Bryan Allen too if we want a more historical perspective. Defensemen gey hurt, but they get hurt a lot more in Vancouver.

It isn't just paranoia on our part.

 

[member 105785]

In all fairness though, Vancouver defensemen can't stay healthy here. Keith Ballard and Dan Hamhuis are key examples of this. Both were veritable iron men, and the Canucks just....broke them.

Ohlund, final injury aside, is also evidence of this. Salo too. Adrian Aucoin and Bryan Allen too if we want a more historical perspective. Defensemen gey hurt, but they get hurt a lot more in Vancouver.

It isn't just paranoia on our part.

It's because of the excessive travel schedule, but fans of every other team laugh at that excuse because they don't realize in 2011 playoffs Vancouver's series vs Nashville had more travel than the Bruins first 3 rounds combined

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Once the sweep is complete the tune will change. Till then we wait.

What tune, the rebuild is ahead of schedule lol

 

[BlueBaron]

If that's true he'd fit right in with the Leafs D.

Yup only garbage teams make the playoffs and break 100 points.

Desperate fail.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Done if the leafs get move one of those picks (not the first rounder) to 2019.

Deal

 

[Breakers]

At one point Tanev had some serious value around the league, even as late as last off-season.

Now........ Not so much, but he would still get a 1st round pick easy

This year absolutely killed his value.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

You either pay the price to get the good players or you pay the price of losing in the playoffs. Nobody in their right mind would’ve picked that defense to win a round. The young Leafs will learn that defense tightens up in the playoffs which exposes their biggest weakness however there are other options than just Tanev. What about Gudbranson for a 1st?

Dude. Come on.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

The long and short is that Tanev is one of the hardest players to value. When he’s healthy, he’s terrific and worth a lot. The problem of course is that he is not healthy therefore skewing his value. If he was an 82 game player he’s worth at least a first and a good prospect. But he’s not an 82 game player which leaves much to be debated.

 

[Nick1219]

You either pay the price to get the good players or you pay the price of losing in the playoffs. Nobody in their right mind would’ve picked that defense to win a round. The young Leafs will learn that defense tightens up in the playoffs which exposes their biggest weakness however there are other options than just Tanev. What about Gudbranson for a 1st?

Please ignore this man. He does not speak for Canucks fans.

 

[82Ninety42011]

Yup only garbage teams make the playoffs and break 100 points.

Desperate fail.

I don't think anyone actually thinks the Leafs are garbage. Quite the contrary they are quite good however the weakness they have is defence. Instead of realizing this and trying to fix it people keep saying sign Tavares and other nonsense. You guys already have Mathews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Marleau and JVR. Not to mention Bozak and Hyman how much scoring does one really need?? Maybe use some of those dollars and get a stay at home defenceman or two. I realize Bozak and JVR are probably gone this summer but even then Leafs still don't need Tavares but an actual dman. Good luck and contrary to some belief all Canucks fans don't hate the Leafs I actually enjoy watching them now very fun team to watch!

 

[BlueBaron]

I don't think anyone actually thinks the Leafs are garbage. Quite the contrary they are quite good however the weakness they have is defence. Instead of realizing this and trying to fix it people keep saying sign Tavares and other nonsense. You guys already have Mathews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Marleau and JVR. Not to mention Bozak and Hyman how much scoring does one really need?? Maybe use some of those dollars and get a stay at home defenceman or two. I realize Bozak and JVR are probably gone this summer but even then Leafs still don't need Tavares but an actual dman. Good luck and contrary to some belief all Canucks fans don't hate the Leafs I actually enjoy watching them now very fun team to watch!

Oh I agree Taveres not what we need, Doughty is. Longshot I'm sure but I have to think Lou will work his way down the list to get reinforcements. I am also sure Tanev is on the list somewhere.

 

[drewjenks]

To Toronto: Tanev

To Vancouver: 2018 1st, Kapanen, 2019 4th/change it for any non Liljegren prospect if you feel it isn't enough.

Fair?

How about: Elias Pettersson

For: 2018 1st, Kapanen, 2019 4th/change it for any non Liljegren prospect if you feel it isn't enough.

Fair?

 

[drewjenks]

It's because of the excessive travel schedule, but fans of every other team laugh at that excuse because they don't realize in 2011 playoffs Vancouver's series vs Nashville had more travel than the Bruins first 3 rounds combined

So your saying Tanev breaks bones & gets concussions in the 2nd half of long flights?

 

[drewjenks]

You either pay the price to get the good players or you pay the price of losing in the playoffs. Nobody in their right mind would’ve picked that defense to win a round. The young Leafs will learn that defense tightens up in the playoffs which exposes their biggest weakness however there are other options than just Tanev. What about Gudbranson for a 1st?

Gudbranson is a salary dump trade....your gonna have to take close to nothing or eat half.

Your GM had too much pride on that signing.

 

[Cogburn]

So your saying Tanev breaks bones & gets concussions in the 2nd half of long flights?

Absolutely. You don't read your body properly when you're exhausted.

Just a quick poll though, how many concussions has Tanev had though?

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Gudbranson is a salary dump trade....your gonna have to take close to nothing or eat half.

Your GM had too much pride on that signing.

There was a rumour that we were offered a 4th + 2nd for Gudbranson near the TDL, makes that contract look even worse...