GDT: Toronto presents the Hurricanes with a set of Arabian Goggles

AD Skinner

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I only saw the highlights, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But I was not on the fire peters train until this game. Refusing to pull darling after that second goal was dumb, refusing to pull him at the first intermission was cruel. Darlings body language was screaming loud and clear that he was done the entire game. Everybody else visibly quit after the first intermission and I can't really blame them. Can you imagine being in that locker room between those periods? What do you say? How do you attempt to pump up the team when the coach is throwing the game away by sticking with a goalie who clearly doesn't want to be playing?
 

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If Justin Faulk doesn't shave then he doesn't care. Shaving is the only way to take a good hard look at oneself.

If he shows up Thursday looking like a boy we are good. If I'm him I might shave anyway as something little like that might break a person out of a year long slump. The taking of a good hard look at himself would be an ancillary benefit.
 

RodTheBawd

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So I'm a masochist and went back and watched the game anyway (fast forwarding to all goals)... Darling was really bad, but that was some of the worst defensive hockey I've seen under this regime. The Leafs just waltzed in at will with zero pressure whatsoever from our D. I understand the occasional f*** up (and Skinner "losing his man" 3x a game), but it looked like a completely different team/system. I don't know if it's just been a game of chess throughout the 3 matchups between Babs and Peters this year and they're trying to outsmart each other, but f*** if there was ever an example of when the master is still schooling the student, it was yesterday.
 

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So I'm a masochist and went back and watched the game anyway (fast forwarding to all goals)... Darling was really bad, but that was some of the worst defensive hockey I've seen under this regime. The Leafs just waltzed in at will with zero pressure whatsoever from our D. I understand the occasional **** up (and Skinner "losing his man" 3x a game), but it looked like a completely different team/system. I don't know if it's just been a game of chess throughout the 3 matchups between Babs and Peters this year and they're trying to outsmart each other, but **** if there was ever an example of when the master is still schooling the student, it was yesterday.
It was interesting to hear Kaiton complain about the "lazy" stretch passes the Leafs kept trying. When Lavi first exploited that tactic, he sang a very different tune.
 

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It's especially weird because I remember some really beautiful stretch passes by Slavin and Hanifin last year, a lot like the ones the Leafs were trying/completing.

Maybe he thinks they're bad since we can't do them this year with any sort of regularity. I think the word is out on Peters "system" because our play from the backend has been abysmal for awhile now vs. any heavy forechecking or speedy team. We basically have no pair that can match up with top lines without getting killed over the long run. I don't care which but one pair really needs to step it up for us to have any kind of chance at not being a laughingstock this season.
 

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It's especially weird because I remember some really beautiful stretch passes by Slavin and Hanifin last year, a lot like the ones the Leafs were trying/completing.

Maybe he thinks they're bad since we can't do them this year with any sort of regularity. I think the word is out on Peters "system" because our play from the backend has been abysmal for awhile now vs. any heavy forechecking or speedy team. We basically have no pair that can match up with top lines without getting killed over the long run. I don't care which but one pair really needs to step it up for us to have any kind of chance at not being a laughingstock this season.
Well, he's notably old school and would prefer a return to the red line. Maybe it's because he thought Babcock was old school too and was surprised?
 

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It's especially weird because I remember some really beautiful stretch passes by Slavin and Hanifin last year, a lot like the ones the Leafs were trying/completing.

Maybe he thinks they're bad since we can't do them this year with any sort of regularity. I think the word is out on Peters "system" because our play from the backend has been abysmal for awhile now vs. any heavy forechecking or speedy team. We basically have no pair that can match up with top lines without getting killed over the long run. I don't care which but one pair really needs to step it up for us to have any kind of chance at not being a laughingstock this season.

The phrase I keep hearing is "activating the defense". Supposedly that means our defense is more involved on the rush which should create more offense.

Player16-17 GP16-17 P16-17 P/GP17-18 GP17-18 P17-18 P/GP
Faulk75370.493370.21
Hanifin81290.3633160.48
Pesce82200.243050.17
Slavin82340.413380.24
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Takeaway: Faulk, Pesce, and Slavin are scoring at half their rate last year.

On the other hand, it appears this "activating" of the defense also entails more of a man-coverage in the defensive zone rather than zone coverage. To my eyes, it appears very easy to draw Slavin/Pesce/Faulk/Hanifin away from the net which creates situations where a guy like Derek Ryan is covering a power forward at the goal-mouth. On top of that there is no absolutely no bite to anyone on the Canes defense. Nobody on this team is scaring anybody away from the Canes net. This become problematic when Darling can't hold onto a puck to save his life. The book is absolutely out and Peters is just plugging away with the same old shit.
 

Ole Gil

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We basically have no pair that can match up with top lines without getting killed over the long run. I don't care which but one pair really needs to step it up for us to have any kind of chance at not being a laughingstock this season.

I think it might be more about the wingers than the D sometimes. In the top 9, I would classify all the wingers other than Justin Williams as a liability in getting the puck out. They are just so atrocious on the boards, that the other team funnels the play towards the boards, and then manhandles the winger and retains possession.

Sometimes I think this may be why Peters plays such an extreme system, because there's almost always guys on the wing that are very likely to make a mistake/lose a battle that will extend a possession once the other team gets set up.
 

RibFrabcus

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Has the system changed at all from last year? Don't seem to see the diamond on the pk anymore and I don't remember guys chasing opponents across the ice and losing them. Have we always played man to man under Peters?

As far as I can remember we've played man to man in the defensive zone. I remember the Bruins broadcasters talking about it when we traded them JML, and he had mentioned the difference in Peters' system and Julien's.
 

tarheelhockey

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I think it might be more about the wingers than the D sometimes. In the top 9, I would classify all the wingers other than Justin Williams as a liability in getting the puck out. They are just so atrocious on the boards, that the other team funnels the play towards the boards, and then manhandles the winger and retains possession.

Sometimes I think this may be why Peters plays such an extreme system, because there's almost always guys on the wing that are very likely to make a mistake/lose a battle that will extend a possession once the other team gets set up.

This is absolutely true. It's both an offensive and defensive issue with our wingers.

Look at the number of times PER GAME that our wingers do an absolutely atrocious job of getting the puck over the red line. There are so many silly turnovers, little failures to make plays that ought to be routine but become fire drills in out own zone. Look at how often our defensemen are forced to cover both high and low options because a winger lost his assignment at the point.

That stuff wears on a defenseman. You can't play your game when you're constantly having to stop and backpedal, having to step out of position to chase guys who come loose high in the zone. You end up with guys chasing the play the whole game, which is exhausting both physically and mentally.

I see it most in Slavin this year. I don't think he got dumber over the offseason. But he spends an awful lot of time glancing over his shoulder because there's blown coverage elsewhere in the zone. The mistakes I'm seeing from him come down to a guy trying to do too many things at once, and I think that can probably be said of most of our defensemen at this point, particularly whoever has the misfortune to play with Skinner on a given shift.
 

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