Player Discussion Torey Krug III

Status
Not open for further replies.

BigBadBruins7708

Registered User
Dec 11, 2017
13,578
18,344
Las Vegas
I remember some people panicked when Wideman was dealt summer 2010.

difference is Krug is substantially better than Wideman was. Wideman had a 1 year spike, but was a 30pt defender otherwise.

Krug is a steadily improving and may not have peaked yet...he's gone from 39 to 59 points over 4 seasons (ppg risen from .50 to .78) and is a legitimate weapon.
 

LouJersey

Registered User
Jun 29, 2002
68,265
42,281
Graves to Gardens
youtu.be
difference is Krug is substantially better than Wideman was. Wideman had a 1 year spike, but was a 30pt defender otherwise.

Krug is a steadily improving and may not have peaked yet...he's gone from 39 to 59 points over 4 seasons (ppg risen from .50 to .78) and is a legitimate weapon.

Wideman had two good years before where people were actually saying he should be in Norris consideration (came in 11th 08-09)

I agree through, dealing Krug his a humungous risk and will have ripples offensively on the entire team.
 

WhalerTurnedBruin55

Fading out, thanks for the times.
Oct 31, 2008
11,346
6,708
I remember some people panicked when Wideman was dealt summer 2010.
Dennis Wideman scored 50 and 30 points in his last 2 seasons here.

Torey Krug scored 51 and 59 the last 2 seasons.

I'm not against moving Krug, but his contribution will sorely be missed unless it's an there's offense coming back, too.

McAvoy can't do it alone, and Grizz isn't there, which isn't saying he isn't good, he's just not a point producer in the same way.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Flannelman

bp13

Registered User
Dec 30, 2003
16,933
3,331
Visit site
If Carolina, for example, is considering moving Hanifin because it is strong on its defense, it probably wouldn't move him for another defenseman

Krug will be able to bring back a forward, hopefully a centr to take over for Nash.
That isn’t necessarily true. Hanifin is a pending RFA and with his age and pedigree he’d be looking at a deal higher than Krug’s AAV and with more term. Given they are committed to Slavin now they could easily view Krug as an offensive upgrade on Hanifin who will cost them less and give them walk away potential in a few years. So they could easily take him back in a Hanifin deal if the other pieces are attractive. Prospects, picks, whatever.

IMO if the Bruins could get Hanifin for Krug/prospect/2nd rounder, for example, I definitely do that. I’m not looking to move Krug nor do I think I’m underrating him, but I do think Hanifin is a more valuable asset when you consider age, size, health, etc. Plus he’s also a guy who can play QB on a PP. He’s not Krug in that respect, but he’s no slouch either. The other variable to consider is the offense Krug produces and what that means for his next deal, weighed against his actual defensive ability. If he stays at his level now, are you gonna be willing to pony up in two years? He strikes me as a risk in that sense.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dr Hook

JoeIsAStud

Registered User
Feb 27, 2002
11,470
5,166
Visit site
That isn’t necessarily true. Hanifin is a pending RFA and with his age and pedigree he’d be looking at a deal higher than Krug’s AAV and with more term. Given they are committed to Slavin now they could easily view Krug as an offensive upgrade on Hanifin who will cost them less and give them walk away potential in a few years. So they could easily take him back in a Hanifin deal if the other pieces are attractive. Prospects, picks, whatever.

IMO if the Bruins could get Hanifin for Krug/prospect/2nd rounder, for example, I definitely do that. I’m not looking to move Krug nor do I think I’m underrating him, but I do think Hanifin is a more valuable asset when you consider age, size, health, etc. Plus he’s also a guy who can play QB on a PP. He’s not Krug in that respect, but he’s no slouch either. The other variable to consider is the offense Krug produces and what that means for his next deal, weighed against his actual defensive ability. If he stays at his level now, are you gonna be willing to pony up in two years? He strikes me as a risk in that sense.

Depending on who "prospect" is I might do it, because it 4 years from now that strengthens the Bruins org, and likely reaps benefits years 4-12.

BUT

Make no mistake, Torey Krug is a BETTER nhl player than Hanifin right now, and this proposal makes the team worse next year
 

rocketdan9

Registered User
Feb 5, 2009
20,411
13,210
Colageo loses me when his main argument for trading Torey Krug is basically cap space.

I didn't take it that way...

Because his point was you would be paying Krug 5 million dollars to be a 3rd pair/PP specialist

vs opportunity cost to pay 5 million (Krug salary) + 2 million for a bonafide #1 LHD
 
  • Like
Reactions: UncleRico and BMC

BigBadBruins7708

Registered User
Dec 11, 2017
13,578
18,344
Las Vegas
I didn't take it that way...

Because his point was you would be paying Krug 5 million dollars to be a 3rd pair/PP specialist

vs opportunity cost to pay 5 million (Krug salary) + 2 million for a bonafide #1 LHD

well, for starters Krug is not a bottom pairing defender. that garbage narrative needs to die. He is 100% a 3/4 across the league.

secondly, where is this magic #1 D thats on the market? And magically only going to cost 7 mill a year?
 

BruinDust

Registered User
Aug 2, 2005
24,281
21,610
well, for starters Krug is not a bottom pairing defender. that garbage narrative needs to die. He is 100% a 3/4 across the league.

secondly, where is this magic #1 D thats on the market? And magically only going to cost 7 mill a year?

This is where the cap space argument lost me.

Forget the fact that with a rising cap and really no big name key RFAs to sign, the Bruins have plenty of cap space for next season (the year after not so much).

But like you said, where is this #1 left-shot defender they are about to trade for?
 

BigBadBruins7708

Registered User
Dec 11, 2017
13,578
18,344
Las Vegas
This is where the cap space argument lost me.

Forget the fact that with a rising cap and really no big name key RFAs to sign, the Bruins have plenty of cap space for next season (the year after not so much).

But like you said, where is this #1 left-shot defender they are about to trade for?

thats just it, if your goal is to clear cap, you move out 1 of Miller/McQuaid...clearing either 2.5 or 2.75 of cap space
 

BigBadBruins7708

Registered User
Dec 11, 2017
13,578
18,344
Las Vegas
Great, that's one player.

I'd rather them keep Krug because there's just too big of a drop off.

McQuaid
Carlo
Miller
Gryz
Chara

Combined for 12 goals

Krug had 14.

to take it 1 step further...Krug's 59 points accounted for 36.4% of the total points scored from the blueline (162 pts).

Krug was the 4th on the team in points, behind only the Bergeron line
 

rocketdan9

Registered User
Feb 5, 2009
20,411
13,210
Great, that's one player.

I'd rather them keep Krug because there's just too big of a drop off.

McQuaid
Carlo
Miller
Gryz
Chara

Combined for 12 goals

Krug had 14.

I think you are focusing too much on the short term

Krug has 2 years left... do you really think the Bruins will pony up 5-6 million dollars to extend him beyond his current contract?

His value is at its highest now and will start dropping after next seasons trade deadline.

By the time the Bruins are a serious threat to raise the cup, Krug may not be in the picture (his contract issues definitely a factor)
 

rocketdan9

Registered User
Feb 5, 2009
20,411
13,210
well, for starters Krug is not a bottom pairing defender. that garbage narrative needs to die. He is 100% a 3/4 across the league.

secondly, where is this magic #1 D thats on the market? And magically only going to cost 7 mill a year?

If you trade Krug + prospect for Klefbom and 2018 10th pick

Klefbom, Chara, Grz can do the job on the left side for next season

the real potential for this D core comes in 2019 offseason where there are several quality UFA Ds available . McDonagh, OEL, Doughty for example
 

Sheppy

Registered User
Nov 23, 2011
55,686
57,315
The Arctic
I think you are focusing too much on the short term

Krug has 2 years left... do you really think the Bruins will pony up 5-6 million dollars to extend him beyond his current contract?

His value is at its highest now and will start dropping after next seasons trade deadline.

By the time the Bruins are a serious threat to raise the cup, Krug may not be in the picture (his contract issues definitely a factor)
Do you move him and gamble on Gryz being a similar player? From what I see, defensively Gryz is better than Krug but Krug is light years beyond anyone on Boston (outside of McAvoy) offensively.
 

rocketdan9

Registered User
Feb 5, 2009
20,411
13,210
Do you move him and gamble on Gryz being a similar player? From what I see, defensively Gryz is better than Krug but Krug is light years beyond anyone on Boston (outside of McAvoy) offensively.

See my post above

There is no way to maneuver /address the elephant in the room next season (address shortcoming on the LHD side) unless you just stand pat (becoming a bridge team) or you trade Krug

Trading Krug is a much better idea than trading a future piece like Debrusk to make this current team better/progress

You can't trade/or difficult to trade Krejci/Backes.
 

rocketdan9

Registered User
Feb 5, 2009
20,411
13,210
I was a little slower on the uptake. He lost me at "if the Bruins keep Krejci, they"" lose Riley Nash".

Because then the young prospects won't get a proper chance to gain experience (next gen of centers)

Bergeron, Krejci are not getting any younger.
 

BigBadBruins7708

Registered User
Dec 11, 2017
13,578
18,344
Las Vegas
See my post above

There is no way to maneuver /address the elephant in the room next season (address shortcoming on the LHD side) unless you just stand pat (becoming a bridge team) or you trade Krug

Trading Krug is a much better idea than trading a future piece like Debrusk to make this current team better/progress

You can't trade/or difficult to trade Krejci/Backes.

this whole "trade Krug to improve the D core" is summed up perfectly by a Family Guy quote:

" a boat is just a boat, but a mystery box could be anything...if could even be a boat!"

call me crazy, but I dont see trading a 26 year old defenseman that is a top 5 goal scorer and top 10 in points for all defenders as logical roster building
 

Ratty

Registered User
Feb 2, 2003
11,962
3,481
Rive Gauche
Visit site
Because then the young prospects won't get a proper chance to gain experience (next gen of centers)

Bergeron, Krejci are not getting any younger.
I wouldn't fret about losing Riley Nash who, as a UFA will cost more than the Bruins are willing to spend.

Bergeron and Krejci , if he stays, are quite capable of mentoring a young prospect, be it Donato or Karlsson, who already gave considerable pro experience.
 

rocketdan9

Registered User
Feb 5, 2009
20,411
13,210
this whole "trade Krug to improve the D core" is summed up perfectly by a Family Guy quote:

" a boat is just a boat, but a mystery box could be anything...if could even be a boat!"

call me crazy, but I dont see trading a 26 year old defenseman that is a top 5 goal scorer and top 10 in points for all defenders as logical roster building

Krug is also a below average defender....did we watch the same playoffs run? Leafs and Tampa exposed him

Bruins dont' have the kind of depth, to cover for his shortcomings

The concentration needs to be on the playoffs
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad

-->