I'm thinking Krug really misses McQuaid. McQuaid presence gave Krug two more inches and "Hockey muscles". Krug hasn't played with the same intensity and confidence sense McQuaids been out.
I'm thinking Krug really misses McQuaid. McQuaid presence gave Krug two more inches and "Hockey muscles". Krug hasn't played with the same intensity and confidence sense McQuaids been out.
I think theres no question that when krug is partnered with a heavy lifter like mcquaid and sees 3rd pair assignments... getting a great % of offensive zone starts and kept away from the other teams top line... that things go better
but what does this mean?
should krug be a 3rd pair pp specialist being paid a lot less money? would be be outstanding if that was his role? would we love a 3rd pair of mcquaid/krug if they were making around 5 mill between them max...
sadly its just wishing for unicorns. mcavoy/carlo/miller are ahead of mcquaid on depth chart. hes on his way out. if krug is going to be getting top mins hes going to be paired with someone like mcavoy or carlo. hes going to need to figure out a way to play in his own zone against better competition. hes going to need to figure a way to play tough enough without mcquaid babysitting him
hes being paid 5+ mill now... that means we are giving him the challenge. we need him to succeed. can he figure out how to improve?
from what ive seen the krug today is very similar to the krug last year and the krug 2 years ago. he was a great pp guy then and hes a great pp guy today. I understand krug will put up 50 points if hes healthy. I don't hate krugs offensive game
but can krug play a regular shift without ending up a minus 20-25 over the course of a year when hes playing with carlo or mcavoy in a top 4 role?
if the answer is no... he has to be moved. we cant have that type of negative goal differential at 5 on 5 hockey
Hyperbole to the max...
His career WORST +/- season is last year, -10.
This year he is currently -1.
His other 3 years, he was +18, +12, +9.
Same ol crap that every offensive D gets here. Magically the PMD we have is garbage defensively and all other PMDs in the league are pined for because they dont make mistakes.
Newsflash, 99% of PMDs have defensive lapses.
Hyperbole to the max...
His career WORST +/- season is last year, -10.
This year he is currently -1.
His other 3 years, he was +18, +12, +9.
Same ol crap that every offensive D gets here. Magically the PMD we have is garbage defensively and all other PMDs in the league are pined for because they dont make mistakes.
Newsflash, 99% of PMDs have defensive lapses.
And as recently as about a week or two back a lot of people were pointing to Krug being -8. Well, that's +7 since then in my estimation, so he must be getting better all of a sudden. Can't use +/- as a BS stat if that's what the measuring stick is to "prove" that Krug is a "bad" defenseman. Hockey is a game of mistakes. Otherwise every game would be 0-0.
I think that most of us watch krug and see him get into serious trouble when hes in over his head. his partner does extra work to cover up. if the work load is kept to a minimum then the damage is minimum. meanwhile krug does a lot of good things and the result is positive as reflected by the plus minus
but when krug is put into greater situations... the damage becomes a lot more serious. his positives begin to fall short.
its strictly eye test but when backed up by the numbers you begin to see alarming patterns.
of course when you are a fan of highlight reels... and the team is winning... krug looks pretty impressive. he makes very pretty highlights.
this is a guy you have to watch to get a full understanding. and more than that you have to manage him. put him in situations that suit him and he will help you. but ask him to improve his game and he will leave you disappointed.
hes not a top pair dman and imho never will be. and he needs the right partner to be an adequet second pair dman. hes not the engine that drives the chain. hes a complimentary piece to a puzzle
are we the puzzle that he fits? that remains to be seen. I wish he was paid to fit a bottom pair and then I would have no doubt he should be kept. but cap is a reality and guys that get paid 5 mill must be important parts of a winning defense. at that moment, I don't think krug helps more than he hurts.
sorry. I'm glad for him hes going to be paid... but not glad for our team that we are the ones paying
Hoping the Bruins move Krug by the trade deadline
He doesn't know how to play defense, especially along the boards
Grz is the same size and is a much better all around defender.
Would Flyers bite on Simmonds for Krug ?
You’re hoping for something that isn’t going to happen. You seem to love shiny new toys. You keep calling for Cehlarik over Spooner as well. Grzelcyk and Krug aren’t even comparable players. I’m sorry but moving Krug for a forward and replacing him with grzelcyk is a brutal proposal.
Gryz isn't ready or a suitable top 4 replacement for Krug (yet).Hoping the Bruins move Krug by the trade deadline
He doesn't know how to play defense, especially along the boards
Grz is the same size and is a much better all around defender.
Would Flyers bite on Simmonds for Krug ?
Krug is so bad at defence. Give him over 20 minutes a night and watch that team bleed goals.....
Gryz isn't ready or a suitable top 4 replacement for Krug (yet).
Either 1. Keep Krug until someone actually surpasses him. 2. Trade for someone above Krug in the depth chart, and move Krug either in that trade or a subsequent one. Krug has redeeming qualities for a player, as well as his warts. Carlo isn't quite there to makeup for Krug's deficiencies, otherwise we might not even hear about those issues. But I don't move Krug until someone has legitimately passed him in either all facets of his game, or the one he's best at. And his offensive game is still one of the best on this teams backend (on the left).
I feel this mentality is best used
I have the same mentality towards Spooner at this stage. (and to a lesser extent Krejc, but salary does play a bigger factor there)
And yet, he’s a positive player 5v5. He helps more than he hurts.
I agree...but at this point I rather try Grz at top 4 and bring up Zboril or Lauzon
because they can't be worst on the defensive end than Krug
Grz may not put up the same stats as Krug but positive things happen when he is on the ice.
Krug + heated game = inability to win battles on our own end....causes everyone else on the team to work harder to try to get the puck out.
Let's take a look at how Torey Krug compares to the other defenseman on the team. I won't include McQuaid or Postma, since they haven't even played 10 games yet. I'll be looking at 5v5 statistics, since it's the most played situation.
Torey Krug:
549.68 minutes (38 GP) = 15.27 Average TOI
+/- = +7
GF/60 = 2.95
GA/60 = 2.18
oiSV% = .931
Brandon Carlo:
608.02 minutes (40 GP) = 15.20 Average TOI
+/- = +5
GF/60 = 2.66
GA/60 = 2.17
oiSV% = .930
Charlie McAvoy:
743.17 minutes (40 GP) = 18.58 Average TOI
+/- = +17
GF/60 = 2.74
GA/60 = 1.37
oiSV% = .947
Zdeno Chara:
733.52 minutes (40 GP) = 18.34 Average TOI
+/- = +15
GF/60 = 2.70
GA/60 = 1.47
oiSV% = .945
Matt Grzelcyk:
293.52 minutes (22 GP) = 13.34 Average TOI
+/- = +14
GF/60 = 4.09
GA/60 = 1.23
oiSV% = .945
Kevan Miller:
598.63 minutes (38 GP) = 12.47 Average TOI
+/- = +5
GF/60 = 2.31
GA/60 = 1.80
oiSV% = .927
People complaining about Krug's defensive play need to stop. He's right there with all the other defenseman on the team in every statistic. Torey Krug is not great in his own end. Even the biggest Krug supporter should agree with that. He's not the defensive black-hole some make him out to be either. He's average there. There's nothing wrong with that when he gives you the offense he does.
If you want to trade Krug, fine! Even as a big Krug guy, I'd have no issue if the Bruins moved him in a trade. That said, the B's should only be dealing him if they're getting an upgrade at the LHD position. Suggesting to trade Krug for a forward, for example, is just plain stupid. You have zero replacements for him. No, Matt Grzelcyk is not there yet (despite the solid numbers. He's playing 3rd pairing. 24 NHL games is not a large enough sample size to ship out a player who's proven himself in 350+ NHL games). No, there isn't anyone in the minors pushing for a spot. No, slotting Grzelcyk up and subbing in Adam McQuaid does not make the team stronger.
Torey Krug:
549.68 minutes (38 GP) = 15.27 Average TOI
+/- = +7
GF/60 = 2.95
GA/60 = 2.18
oiSV% = .931
vs
Matt Grzelcyk:
293.52 minutes (22 GP) = 13.34 Average TOI
+/- = +14
GF/60 = 4.09
GA/60 = 1.23
oiSV% = .945