Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Patrick Marleau (3 years, $6.25M AAV)

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TheNuge

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And the leafs are still run by morons. What a circus of an organization. RIGHT when we all thought they were turning the corner and building a team the right way they make a move like this.

Typical Toronto.

**In before someone attacks the canucks yo5 get back at me** won't change the fact you guys are paying old man Marlerau that much.

Wait a minute? a cancucks fan chirping Toronto with the state of their team right now? please.
 

danielpalfredsson

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So long as both sides are on the same page about him waiving in year 3, the structure of the deal is really smart. He could be traded in year 3 and will only be owed 1M in salary.

Wouldn't say this is a good signing, but the Leafs were at least creative enough to structure the contract in a way that gives them a reasonable out if Marleau plays ball. There was a thread on the main board today talking about how it is unfair that some team's have tax advantages, but this signing right here shows you an advantage that richer teams have. The ability to circumvent the cap via signing bonuses not being recognized as cap.

Don't get me wrong. It's a smart move to do it that way.
 

Sojourn

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Did you see the defense Pittsburgh just won with? The game is changing.

If you have the puck all the time and Patrick Marleau is your 7th best forward in PPG, how much D do you even need?

Why don't you ask the previous Cup winners.

Including Pittsburgh, the previous year. One example is not a trend.
 

Barrie22

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Won't have to :) He will proudly retire in Vegas or Arizona.

You do realize that will still hurt the leafs right? Lol

Signing team gets the recapture penalty for a 35+ contract.

Marleau has to play the final year for the leafs not to feel the hurt of that cap hit.

Leafs buy him out, cap hit to leafs.
He retires in a leafs jersey after year 2 leafs get the cap hit.

Leafs trade him for purposes of a buy out. Leafs get the cap hit.
Leafs trade him for him to retire in another jersey. Leafs get the cap hit.
 

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I always thought he would do well on a team that can run-and-gun it.
 

Canada4Gold

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Maybe try looking up "recapture penalty"

I did. According to the NHL CBA it only applied to "Long-Term" contracts(6 or more years), signed before the CBA came into affect. Even if that's wrong, the cap recapture on this deal in year 3 would only be 2 million, and that's assuming he's retires instead of just hanging out like everyone seems to be doing. Or playing with the other team..

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/CBA2012/NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA.pdf

(A) For any SPC entered into prior to the execution date of this
Agreement (including any binding Memorandum of
Understanding) that has a term in excess of six (6) League Years
("Long-Term Contracts")
, the Averaged Amount of such LongTerm
Contracts shall be calculated and included in a Club's
Averaged Club Salary in accordance with Section 50.5(d)(ii) above
so long as the Player is playing or is injured and is being paid
pursuant to his SPC.

(B) For any period during which the Player under a Long-Term
Contract is no longer playing in the League during the term of that
Long-Term Contract by reason of retirement, "defection" from the
NHL or otherwise (but not death)
(such that he is not playing and
is not receiving Salary pursuant to that Long-Term Contract), an
amount attributable to that Player shall nonetheless continue to be
included in his Club's Averaged Club Salary as described below.
(1) Upon that Player's failure to play in the League by reason
of retirement, "defection" from the NHL or otherwise (but
not death) (such that he is not playing and is not receiving
Salary pursuant to his Long-Term Contract) (assuming it is
prior to the conclusion of the Long-Term Contract), the
difference between the sum of the Actual Salary and
Bonuses received by that Player under that SPC and the
sum of the Averaged Amounts charged against the Club's
Averaged Club Salary under that SPC shall be calculated as
follows:

(i) First, calculate the total Actual Salary and
Bonuses paid to that Player under that SPC ("Total
Payment") until the date of such retirement, defection or
otherwise (but not death);

(ii) Second, calculate the total Averaged
Amount charged against the Club's Averaged Club Salary
for the Player under that SPC ("Total Cap Charge") until
the date of such retirement, defection or otherwise (but not
death);

(iii) Subtract Total Cap Charge from Total
Payment. That number shall be referred to as the "Cap
Advantage Recapture."

(iv) The Cap Advantage Recapture shall be
charged against the Club's Averaged Club Salary in equal
proportions in each League Year over the remaining term
of the SPC (i.e., the yearly charge shall be calculated by
dividing the Cap Advantage Recapture by the number of
seasons remaining under that SPC).

(v) In the event of a "bona-fide" mid-season
retirement, the Cap Advantage Recapture as calculated
above shall be charged against the Club's Averaged Club
Salary beginning in the League Year following the Player's
retirement (provided, however, that in the event such
"bona-fide" mid-season retirement occurs in the final
League Year of an SPC, any Cap Advantage Recapture
charge shall be included in the Club's Averaged Club
Salary in the following League Year). In such cases, there
shall be no charge against the Club's Averaged Club Salary
for the remainder of the League Year in which the Player
retires. The parties shall discuss in good faith the treatment
of a Cap Advantage Recapture charge in the case of a
retirement "orchestrated" for the sole purpose of delaying
the Cap Advantage Recapture charge to the following
League Year, and failing agreement, shall arbitrate the
issue.

That's the section about cap recapture. This deal was obviously not signed prior to this CBA, and isn't 6 years or longer. I'm not sure about this, just going off what the CBA seems to say.
 
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You do realize that will still hurt the leafs right? Lol

Signing team gets the recapture penalty for a 35+ contract.

Marleau has to play the final year for the leafs not to feel the hurt of that cap hit.

Leafs buy him out, cap hit to leafs.
He retires in a leafs jersey after year 2 leafs get the cap hit.

Leafs trade him for purposes of a buy out. Leafs get the cap hit.
Leafs trade him for him to retire in another jersey. Leafs get the cap hit.

What about if he gets an allergy
 

Halla

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too many people worrying about year 3.
yeah, the leafs will have marner and matthews just starting their 2nd contract. Marleau is likely flipped if he isnt productive at that point. The leafs front loaded the contract to make that possible.

I think this means JVR is moved for a dman. the leafs are gonna be good, real good.
 

DopeyFish

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Did you see the defense Pittsburgh just won with? The game is changing.

If you have the puck all the time and Patrick Marleau is your 7th best forward in PPG, how much D do you even need?

Leafs could also replace their entire defensive core in a year

Borgman, Rosen, Dermott, Nielsen, Valiev, Liljegren will be pretty much NHL ready next season

Valiev isn't likely to be good... but the rest are top 4 potential...
 

Pi

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If they are a contender and Marleau has no Cups he's going to want his last shot.

He has NMC.


Leafs have done so well with building their roster but this is a mistake and it could cost a lot in the end.

His last shot is the last two years with the Leafs. I'm sure Lou, management, coaches and Marleau are all aware of that fact before he signed the contract.

You can win a Cup on a budget team as well btw. Ottawa nearly made the SCF. You don't think a team who doesn't spend to the cap would love a 1.25M Marleau if he's coming off a good year?

NMC's are for control not to forcefully be on a team you aren't wanted anymore. If he's not wanted on the Leafs, they will request him to give him a list of teams he'd be okay to go to an trade him there if he wants a final shot at the Cup instead of retiring.
 

CanuckGame39

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too many people worrying about year 3.
yeah, the leafs will have marner and matthews just starting their 2nd contract. Marleau is likely flipped if he isnt productive at that point. The leafs front loaded the contract to make that possible.

I think this means JVR is moved for a dman. the leafs are gonna be good, real good.

Not with that Dcore. Good luck with JVR getting you guys any more than a 3rd pairing Dman.
 

Halla

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If they are a contender and Marleau has no Cups he's going to want his last shot.

He has NMC.


Leafs have done so well with building their roster but this is a mistake and it could cost a lot in the end.

you mean like a 2nd/3rd rd pick or B prospect to move his cap hit in year 3?

yeah im sure the leafs are real worried about that in 2017 :laugh:
 

Paladin2799

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You do realize that will still hurt the leafs right? Lol

Signing team gets the recapture penalty for a 35+ contract.

Marleau has to play the final year for the leafs not to feel the hurt of that cap hit.

Leafs buy him out, cap hit to leafs.
He retires in a leafs jersey after year 2 leafs get the cap hit.

Leafs trade him for purposes of a buy out. Leafs get the cap hit.
Leafs trade him for him to retire in another jersey. Leafs get the cap hit.

leafs are betting that Marleau is not an injury risk and that they can easily move his contract in year #3.
 

Mpasta

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And the leafs are still run by morons. What a circus of an organization. RIGHT when we all thought they were turning the corner and building a team the right way they make a move like this.

Typical Toronto.

**In before someone attacks the canucks to get back at me** won't change the fact you guys are paying old man Marlerau that much.

You will either be called a Hater, or some one will point out who you cheer for.

Just watch

Haha.

That's rich coming from a Canucks fan.

This is perfect :laugh:
 

TrillMike

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Haven't read the thread, but I bet my post isn't an original response to this signing. Man, that's a lot of money and term for him.
 
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