Proposal: Tor and Ana
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Drew311
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ChaoticOrange
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How bout this - you share your cloning tech with us, we’ll build a McDavid army, and flip you a line of McDavids for a full D corps of Lindholm-Manson
Manson is a 2nd pairing defender while Rielly is a top pairing defender who just put up 50 points. Not really the same.
No, but Rielly is certainly more valuable than Manson.
Your point still stands though. There's no trade to be made.
Thanks!
you're comparing an offensive-defenseman (on an offensive team) to a defensive-defenseman (on a defensive team) using points.. How exactly is one valued over the other, because points?
edit: Manson has more goals then Rielly this season.
McDonald19
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McDonald19
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Manson is a top pairing defenseman. Very solid #2 physical two way guy that all 30 other teams would love to have.
Agree to the last part (30 other teams.....) but I personally think a first pairing defender has to be able to drive a pairing by themself.
Haven't seen Manson do that and don't expect to as he is a defense first kind of player.
That wasn't the way I was comparing them and Rielly isn't really an offensive defender. Two way guy for sure.
Rielly drives his first pairing and has done so for 2 years while this is the first year Manson has played on the top pairing and plays mostly with Lindholm and a bit with Fowler who drive that pairing.
Top pairing defenders in my mind have to be able to drive their own pairing which Manson never has.
I think that's more the distinction between a #1 and a #2 d-man than top pairing and second pairing. Reilly/Lindholm are the #1 d-man that is the anchor of the pairing. Manson is a guy that can play on a top pairing and allow the more dominant player to safely play his game. He is not a #1 or #3 d-man who carries the first or second pairing respectively, he's a guy that allows that player to comfortably play his game. Manson chips in points (mostly even strength since he plays so little/no power play), big hits, and stands up for his teammates.
Yup I agree with all of that.
As to the bolded, it is so hard to argue with all the #1, #2, #3 etc defenders as everyone has different opinions of the definitions.
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Yeah, it's probably not correct, but I always viewed the odd numbers as the guys that carry/ drive each pairing and the even as the secondary/ weaker guy that either complements their partner (like Manson) or needs to be babysat or carried
