Upgrade your account today to enjoy the forums ad-free.
Click here to upgrade: Account Upgrades

Top 4 countries?

Discussion in 'International Tournaments' started by Lollipop, Jun 1, 2018.

  1. Draiskull

    Draiskull Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2005
    Messages:
    20,407
    Likes Received:
    210
    Trophy Points:
    141
    goaltending says hi.

    Canada wont stay up top for much longer since there is no one good coming up in net for them.
     
  2. vivalavili

    vivalavili Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2016
    Messages:
    278
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Feeladelphia
    Oh. For some reason I thought Demko and Ottinger were canadiens. But in the end even mediocre goaltending will keep them at the top with their attack and defense being of such a high quality
     
  3. cg98

    cg98 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2017
    Messages:
    403
    Likes Received:
    187
    Trophy Points:
    33
    Gender:
    Male
    Matt Murray says hello
     
    DannyGallivan and saxonmiller like this.
  4. Merya

    Merya Jokerit & Finland; anti-theist

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    1,956
    Likes Received:
    103
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Occupation:
    Psychosocialstudies
    Location:
    Helsinki
    Finland is a strong number 5-6 with Czech, but often overperforms in a way that they can have a yearly rank above their natural position.
     
  5. Ducks76

    Ducks76 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2017
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    23
    Gender:
    Male
    But on paper Finland are stronger than ever before. And in future a lot more.
     
  6. Merya

    Merya Jokerit & Finland; anti-theist

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    1,956
    Likes Received:
    103
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Occupation:
    Psychosocialstudies
    Location:
    Helsinki
    In future yes, but not yet. Give it couple more years.
     
  7. Ducks76

    Ducks76 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2017
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    23
    Gender:
    Male
    But yet too! Very good players.
     
  8. connormcmuffin

    connormcmuffin Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2018
    Messages:
    419
    Likes Received:
    184
    Trophy Points:
    33
    Gender:
    Female
    Canada and.... well a good series would be Canada vs the World, given the best on best tournaments over the last decade Canada has earned that challenge.
     
    DannyGallivan and Pouliot like this.
  9. Mestaruus

    Mestaruus Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Messages:
    2,271
    Likes Received:
    242
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Canada
    Sweden
    Russia
    Finland
    ------------------
    USA/CZE - tie

    USA only beats Finland in player material, but there's no denying that Finland has achieved more with lesser players in the last 10 years or so. I feel like the margin will only get greater in Finland's favor now that the disaster coach of Finland, Lauri Marjamäki is gone, replaced by the most succesful Finnish NT coach in the history of Finland, Jukka Jalonen.

    For some reason I think that his underachieving by USA will continue, so I'd rate them that low.

    Best on best roster strength wise it's probably:
    1. Canada
    2. USA
    3 & 4. RUS & SWE tie - RUS better forwards, SWE better defenders.
    5. Finland - but CZE isn't that far
     
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2018
    Urbanskog likes this.
  10. Mestaruus

    Mestaruus Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Messages:
    2,271
    Likes Received:
    242
    Trophy Points:
    81
    I don't see the goalie thing becoming an issue. We've seen lately that we produce a lot of late bloomer goalies as well.
     
  11. Tomas W

    Tomas W Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2007
    Messages:
    6,489
    Likes Received:
    169
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Location:
    Sweden
    USA is hard to rank, since they probably is #2 player by player, but the also need to prove themselves better in international games (I am not counting jrs). Therefore:

    1 Canada
    2 Russia
    3 Sweden/USA/Finland
    4 Czech Rep./Switzerland
     
  12. nucks88

    nucks88 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2012
    Messages:
    1,629
    Likes Received:
    193
    Trophy Points:
    85
    Location:
    The Left Coast
    Braden Holtby isn't playing too poorly right now I would say as well.
     
    DannyGallivan likes this.
  13. Pavel Buchnevich

    Pavel Buchnevich AV AND GORTON OUT

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2013
    Messages:
    29,097
    Likes Received:
    3,620
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    New York
    You are using SSS tournaments as your proof. Weak.
     
  14. Pavel Buchnevich

    Pavel Buchnevich AV AND GORTON OUT

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2013
    Messages:
    29,097
    Likes Received:
    3,620
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    New York
    Will there be two generational players to carry him with Canada as well?

    *Ponders*

    Maybe you are actually right.
     
  15. Urbanskog

    Urbanskog Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2014
    Messages:
    2,891
    Likes Received:
    130
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Location:
    Espoo
    What does that mean?
     
  16. Pavel Buchnevich

    Pavel Buchnevich AV AND GORTON OUT

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2013
    Messages:
    29,097
    Likes Received:
    3,620
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    New York
    Small sample size.
     
  17. DrJustice

    DrJustice Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2014
    Messages:
    1,653
    Likes Received:
    1,113
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    I think there are a pretty clear Top-5

    Canada
    Sweden
    USA
    Finland
    Russia
     
  18. Connor McConnor

    Connor McConnor Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2017
    Messages:
    368
    Likes Received:
    258
    Trophy Points:
    46
    1. Canada
    2. Sweden
    3. Russia
    4. USA
    5. Finland
     
  19. Urbanskog

    Urbanskog Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2014
    Messages:
    2,891
    Likes Received:
    130
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Location:
    Espoo
    Well, besides the IIHF World Championship tournaments that's all we have. I don't see how else are we supposed to compare these teams.
     
    PlusMinusZero and snipes like this.
  20. Brock Radunske

    Brock Radunske 안양종합운동장 빙상장

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2012
    Messages:
    13,928
    Likes Received:
    2,143
    Trophy Points:
    156
    A mickey-mouse tournament like IIHF World Championships isn't an indicator of anything...
     
  21. DDRhockey

    DDRhockey Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2017
    Messages:
    2,350
    Likes Received:
    962
    Trophy Points:
    81
    A mickey mouse tournament with that frequently has had players like mcdavid, ovechkin, crosby, kane, matthews etc
     
  22. Brock Radunske

    Brock Radunske 안양종합운동장 빙상장

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2012
    Messages:
    13,928
    Likes Received:
    2,143
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Everyone knows its a B-level tournament so I'm not going argue with you on it, I'll just leave this fact;

    Canada's goalie was McBack-up.

    Hell, calling it a B-level tournament might be generous on my part.
     
  23. Pavel Buchnevich

    Pavel Buchnevich AV AND GORTON OUT

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2013
    Messages:
    29,097
    Likes Received:
    3,620
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    New York
    The quality of the players on the teams.
     
  24. Urbanskog

    Urbanskog Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2014
    Messages:
    2,891
    Likes Received:
    130
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Location:
    Espoo
    This thread was about ranking the best teams in international hockey, not about which team potentially looks the flashiest on paper.
     
  25. Rabid Ranger

    Rabid Ranger 2 is better than one

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    22,504
    Likes Received:
    356
    Trophy Points:
    199
    Occupation:
    Contract manager
    Location:
    Murica
    I think on paper the U.S. is #2 but I can see the justification for a lower ranking if you take into consideration performance in best on best tournaments at the senior level.
     

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"