Top 10 Player-Seasons since the Lockout?
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Are we thinking of multiple seasons from the same player or only using their best year?
I kind of like using the best year, as it gets old just looking at a bunch of the same names.
Thinking about it, I've kind of narrowed it down to these 18, but struggling to narrow it further. I think the first 7 forwards probably all deserve to be there, but that doesn't leave much room for others.
Alex Ovechkin '07-08 or '09-10
Evgeni Malkin '11-12
Sidney Crosby '06-07, '09-10, or '13-14
Patrick Kane '15-16
Joe Thornton '05-06
Connor McDavid '16-17
Jaromir Jagr '05-06
Pavel Datsyuk '08-09
Steven Stamkos '11-12
Henrik Sedin '09-10
Nicklas Lidstrom '07-08
Erik Karlsson '15-16 or '16-17
Duncan Keith '09-10
Scott Niedermayer '05-06
Carey Price '14-15
Tim Thomas '10-11
Martin Brodeur '06-07
Roberto Luongo '06-07
I kind of like using the best year, as it gets old just looking at a bunch of the same names.
Thinking about it, I've kind of narrowed it down to these 18, but struggling to narrow it further. I think the first 7 forwards probably all deserve to be there, but that doesn't leave much room for others.
Alex Ovechkin '07-08 or '09-10
Evgeni Malkin '11-12
Sidney Crosby '06-07, '09-10, or '13-14
Patrick Kane '15-16
Joe Thornton '05-06
Connor McDavid '16-17
Jaromir Jagr '05-06
Pavel Datsyuk '08-09
Steven Stamkos '11-12
Henrik Sedin '09-10
Nicklas Lidstrom '07-08
Erik Karlsson '15-16 or '16-17
Duncan Keith '09-10
Scott Niedermayer '05-06
Carey Price '14-15
Tim Thomas '10-11
Martin Brodeur '06-07
Roberto Luongo '06-07
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The Panther
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Yes, that's exactly what I meant -- the best single season (RS) by any player. Of course, there could be more than one season by the same player in the top ten...
Well that's actually what I was asking. Whether we should consider multiple single seasons for the same player in the top ten or just pick one season to consider for each player. I prefer to just consider one for each as it's more interesting than basically alternating Sid, Ovi and Malkin.
GreatGonzo
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Ovechkin: 2008
Malkin: 2012
Crosby: 2007
McDavid: 2017
Price: 2015
Kane: 2016
Crosby: 2014
Thornton: 2006
Ovechkin: 2009
Brodeur: 2007
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HM:
Lidstrom: 2008
Ovechkin: 2010
H. Sedin: 2010
Datsyuk: 2009
Thomas: 2011
Malkin: 2012
Crosby: 2007
McDavid: 2017
Price: 2015
Kane: 2016
Crosby: 2014
Thornton: 2006
Ovechkin: 2009
Brodeur: 2007
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HM:
Lidstrom: 2008
Ovechkin: 2010
H. Sedin: 2010
Datsyuk: 2009
Thomas: 2011
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The Panther
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GreatGonzo
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That was a hard one to leave out honestly.
Looking back on my list, I would probably replace Datsyuks 09 season with Malkins, because it's hard for me to justify having Malkins 09 season instead of Ovis 2010 season, Crosbys 2010 season, and Henriks 2010 Hart/Art Ross winning season. Those three were much more impressive in my eyes.
What makes Crosby 09/10 better than H Sedin 09/10? H Sedin has the Ross and Hart that year. For hugh part of that season H Sedin had at least 10 point lead on Crosby. Crosby had a crazy last quarter to close the gap to 3 points.
Also how is Crosby 09/10 better than Kane 15/16. 15/16 season had a lot less pp and gpg was a little bit lower. I think 106 points in 15/16 is a lot more impressive than 109 points in 09/10. Kane also had the Hart, Lindsay, Ross and Kane had lot more points compare to other top scorers.
GlitchMarner
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Kane's 2016 season seems underrated for whatever reason.
How often do players win the Art Ross by a 17 point gap nowadays? He won multiple awards and also he finished second in goals.
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GlitchMarner
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I wasn't ordering them per se, but Sid had far less support and way more goals than Henrik. I would put him ahead as the better player. Not sure why a big final quarter would be an issue. I would put Kane ahead as a "better" season, though I don't think he was actually a better player. Ie. If both of them played their seasons over 100 times, I think Sid would be better more often than not. Kane was also deployed almost solely offensively, much like the Sedins in '11, and offered little else other than points. Most dominant offensive players tilt the ice regardless of their defense, but Kane's underlying numbers weren't particularly impressive. Sid was a much better ES player, with more points in less ice time, with better GF%, CF%, and xGF%. Kane had a dominant PP year with 37 points (3 more than Sid) in 2 minutes less per game. But he also had a ridiculous 19.52% on-ice shooting percentage on that PP. He couldn't repeat that.
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Nathaniel Skywalker
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The top two seasons by forwards are
08-09 Malkin and 16-17 crosby.
A season consists of the regular season and playoffs.
08-09 Malkin and 16-17 crosby.
A season consists of the regular season and playoffs.
GreatGonzo
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GreatGonzo
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If we did it regular season and playoffs, the list is definitely different.
1. Malkin '09
2. Thomas '11
3. Crosby '17
4. Quick '12
5. Crosby '16
6. Zetterberg '08
7. Crosby '09
8. Lidstrom '08
9. (?)Keith '10
10.(?)Datsyuk '08
1. Malkin '09
2. Thomas '11
3. Crosby '17
4. Quick '12
5. Crosby '16
6. Zetterberg '08
7. Crosby '09
8. Lidstrom '08
9. (?)Keith '10
10.(?)Datsyuk '08
Crosby 2017 is the best peak of the last 10 years. A rocket, a conn smythe and 2nd in scoring, getting the job done in the regular season and the playoffs. All Sid does is win.
quoipourquoi
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Making it a prerequisite to be on the Stanley Cup champion in order to be the best player in a given year would be overstating the value of an individual player on a Stanley Cup winner.
Three players from the 2008 Detroit Red Wings and no 2008 Alex Ovechkin. 4-5-9 in 7 games in the playoffs shouldn't knock him off this list.
GreatGonzo
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Well it's the playoffs AND regular season combined. Ovis 08 season IMO is the very best post lock out, but his playoffs were nothing notable. Unless you believe his regular season performance is big enough to make up for his playoffs? Besides this isn't a list for who was the best player, but who had the better season overall combining both, at least that's what I thought. I already made a list of best seasons with Ovi being clear cut number one.
Maybe Ovi would be above guys like Dats, Zetterberg, and Keith in this regard, but I was looking at the whole season from start to finish, and yes I did give the championship team the benefit, but that's mainly because no other player on the losing teams stuck out enough for me.
Everyone within the top 5 had great regular season success while maintaining that success in the playoffs, making their season an overall great one. Lidstrom in 08 and Crosby in 09 I felt had a much better season from start to finish than Ovi did overall, even though Ovi had a stronger regular season than both, they were still up there in that regard, but their playoff success pushed them over the edge for me.
The Panther
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In my OP (way up there at the top):
I'm thinking, here, only of Regular Season. (If you want to include playoffs, have at 'er, but please distinguish your list as such.)
The Panther
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I do think, if we combine regular season + playoffs, it'd be hard to argue against Evgeni Malkin in 2008-09. But the case can be made, I suppose...
BlueBull
Habby Man
Forwards only
Malkin 2011-12/ OV - 07/08 are clear top two
Thornton - 05/06
Jagr 05/06
Crosby 06/07
OV 08/09
Malkin 08/09
OV 09/10
Crosby 13/14
Kane 15/16
Malkin 2011-12/ OV - 07/08 are clear top two
Thornton - 05/06
Jagr 05/06
Crosby 06/07
OV 08/09
Malkin 08/09
OV 09/10
Crosby 13/14
Kane 15/16
RS plus playoffs:
Malkin - 08/09
Crosby - 07/08, 08/09, 15/16, 16/17
Zetterberg - 07/08
Malkin - 07/08
Datsyuk - 07/08
Kane 12/13
Toews 09/10?
OV 07/08?
Malkin - 08/09
Crosby - 07/08, 08/09, 15/16, 16/17
Zetterberg - 07/08
Malkin - 07/08
Datsyuk - 07/08
Kane 12/13
Toews 09/10?
OV 07/08?
frisco
Some people claim that there's a woman to blame...
Crosby in 2010-11 was probably having the best season post lockout until David Steckel accidently-on-purpose blindsided him in the outdoor game on New Year's Day. 32 and 34 in 41 games, +20 and literally the best player by far on the planet. Kind of a shame it was curtailed by injury.
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I agree with this list.. Order imo:
Ovechkin 07/08,,,Malkin 11/12
Ovechkin 09/10
Crosby 13/14,,,Kane 15/16
Crosby 06/07,,,Ovechkin 08/09
Malkin 08/09
Thornton 05/06,,,Jagr 05/06
