NYRangers said:Did you leave Tyutin out on purpose? Just curious.
RallyKiller said:overrated: Woywitka
Underrated: Grebeshkov, Thelen,
borro said:Good point about Woywitka (lost out to Pitkanen in Philly)
Jay Thompson said:Surprised so many people had Coburn so high.
May I ask why?
I get the impression many people rank him highly due to his draft status, however I would say that if you saw him play last year, you'd realize that Atlanta made a big, big mistake drafting him so high. He's not terrible, but he doesn't belong up there with Dion Phaneuf & co.
windowlicker said:Are you trying to be ironic? Woywitka is overrated, yet he lost out to Joni Pitkanen last year.
Last time I checked, Joni isn't too bad of a current & projected Dman.
Sting004 said:I'm surprised Meszaros is so low, and on many, not even on the list. I've never seen him before but I had the impression that he was a steal for the Sens. Will he crack the NHL?
borro said:Coburn laid a hit on Fehr that was downright dirty. He is very aggressive and I think gets the benefit of the doubt because of that.
Seven_Nation_Army said::lol ... right...just keep getting that spoonfed homerism...Suter was the best dman at the WJC...no ifs and or buts about it...while he was on the ice...the opposing team NEVER scored.
Jay Thompson said:Surprised so many people had Coburn so high.
May I ask why?
Steve Latin said:You're either drastically overrating Kronwall or drastically underrating Backman. Both are very good young players, but neither even have a full season under their belts yet.
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PigPen said:Neither. I watched Backman play quite a bit last year (around 30 games or so. Center Ice is a nice thing to have.) and never once have I seen him do anything outstanding. He's an alright passer, an alright skater and he has ok defensive awareness. A number 4 or number 5 guy in the league and I'd count last season as almost a full season. 66 games plus the entire first round of the playoffs?
Kronwall is faster, a better passer and has a much better shot. And for a guy that's only 6'0" he plays a lot bigger than Backman who's 6'4". He's been better offensively at just about every level, too. He doesn't have a full season under his belt yet but from the 25 games or so I watched him last year, including the T.C. prospect tournament, he looked much better than Backman.
SneakerPimp82 said:wait and see how kronwall adjusts to the nhl speed and physicality.
that's impressive, I suppose, but it's a small sample size no?Seven_Nation_Army said:NOT 1 SINGLE SOLITARY GOAL was scored while Ryan Suter was on the ice the ENTIRE 6 games he played for Team USA in Finland...UNDISPUTEABLE FACT...1 was scored while he was in the box after Dan Fritche took a second penalty on the PK
http://www.iihf.com/hydra/tournamen..._0104/iihf/output/xml/6/IHM006A04_74_5_0.html
http://www.iihf.com/hydra/tournamen..._0104/iihf/output/xml/6/IHM006A08_74_6_0.html
http://www.iihf.com/hydra/tournamen..._0104/iihf/output/xml/6/IHM006A14_74_4_0.html
http://www.iihf.com/hydra/tournamen..._0104/iihf/output/xml/6/IHM006A18_74_4_0.html
http://www.iihf.com/hydra/tournamen..._0104/iihf/output/xml/6/IHM006228_74_5_0.html
http://www.iihf.com/hydra/tournamen..._0104/iihf/output/xml/6/IHM006131_74_5_0.html
Games in which Dion Phaneuf was scored on...
http://www.iihf.com/hydra/tournamen..._0104/iihf/output/xml/6/IHM006B07_74_9_0.html ... twice
http://www.iihf.com/hydra/tournamen..._0104/iihf/output/xml/6/IHM006225_74_5_0.html
Flames Draft Watcher said:And your point is?
Using stats from one tournament doesn't prove anything. People generally resort to stats when they haven't seen much of players. It would appear from reading a lot about Phaneuf and Suter that people in the business SLIGHTLY prefer Phaneuf and thought he had a better tournament. But hey, if stats make you feel better about things go ahead and think they mean something concrete...
Seven_Nation_Army said:just POINTING OUT that Suter never allowed a goal while he was on the ice...Phaneuf did...but it wasn't against the Americans...he gave up three goals to Lukas GRAUWILER(not-drafted), Gianni EHRENSPERGER(not-drafted) and Ondrej NEMEC
Two jobbers and a czech well done
Flames Draft Watcher said:And your point is?
Using stats from one tournament doesn't prove anything. People generally resort to stats when they haven't seen much of players. It would appear from reading a lot about Phaneuf and Suter that people in the business SLIGHTLY prefer Phaneuf and thought he had a better tournament. But hey, if stats make you feel better about things go ahead and think they mean something concrete...
Seven_Nation_Army said:just POINTING OUT that Suter never allowed a goal while he was on the ice...Phaneuf did...but it wasn't against the Americans...he gave up three goals to Lukas GRAUWILER(not-drafted), Gianni EHRENSPERGER(not-drafted) and Ondrej NEMEC
Two jobbers and a czech well done
windowlicker said:Actually, when used in conjecture with an argument or a disagreement; cold, hard stats are the equivalent of a "Check Mate".