Player Discussion Tom Wilson - Part 1

[Dr John Carlson]

That's a bad hit, but he'll probably be defended here regardless of that.

 

[The Instigator]

That's a bad hit, but he'll probably be defended here regardless of that.

It's a bad hit. There's really no defense. He tried to move into position I think, but it was futile given the players positioning and his angle of attack.

 

[The Wicker Man]

So, now that we can see the video of the hit and the NHL's explanation for the suspension, is this a legit suspension for a repeat offender (who had, arguably, a history of questionable hits before this season even started) or just more evidence of a vast NHL conspiracy against not only Tom Wilson, but the very idea of heavy-hitting/physical hockey?

Against only Tom Wilson, wearing Caps jersey.

Proof? Noesen's hit on Orpik:

Trouba's hit on Hrivik:

Both happened this preseason, both more questionable than Wilson's ones. Both haven't got even hearing.

There maybe have been more - but no reaction or news from DoPS and Battman's devoted hound George Parros. Only Tom Wilson is a scapegoat.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

No surprise. DOPS rulz!

 

[Hivemind]

I forgot the NHL DoPS secret password to get into the Anti-Tom Wilson planning room. Can anyone pass it along? It should be inscribed right under the Illuminati Eye on a $1 bill.

 

[twabby]

The year they are relying on Wilson to become a consistent top 9 and maybe top 6 winger and he decides to get back to back suspensions.

This is the type of stuff Trotz should be getting mad at rather than excusing. It’s selfish hockey.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

It’s comical how in sync you two are in your Wilson hate.

 

[twabby]

It just gets old seeing plays like that defended by people, including Trotz. I’m sure some of it’s gamesmanship on Trotz’s part in order to maybe try to reduce a potential suspension but at some point I’d like to see a coach come out and criticize his own player for a dirty hit (or two). You know, the same way Trotz openly criticized and benched Vrana, Orlov, and Schmidt when they tried to make actual hockey plays in the past.

 

[Acallabeth]

It just gets old seeing plays like that defended by people, including Trotz. I’m sure some of it’s gamesmanship on Trotz’s part in order to maybe try to reduce a potential suspension but at some point I’d like to see a coach come out and criticize his own player for a dirty hit (or two). You know, the same way Trotz openly criticized and benched Vrana, Orlov, and Schmidt when they tried to make actual hockey plays in the past.

It must be done in private. We already have dops suspending our player for an interference minor, if the management and the coaching staff has Wilson in any future plans, the last thing we need is sending dops a signal like "see, even his coach thinks he's dirty".

 

[usiel]

DoPS has had blue balls the past couple of seasons dieing to nail Wilson. That said the first hit was suspension worthy...which is on Wilson for finally opening the ban hammer door.

 

[g00n]

I forgot the NHL DoPS secret password to get into the Anti-Tom Wilson planning room. Can anyone pass it along? It should be inscribed right under the Illuminati Eye on a $1 bill.

Got a dollar right here. Let me get a closer look...

H-I-V-E-H-A-T-E-M-E

:O

 

[g00n]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...games-this-time.2390493/page-8#post-136300857

Here's some bad video of the latest hit. I don't have audio on to hear the rationalization but the "Key points" list just Boarding and Repeat Offender. One is a 2 minute penalty and the other is arguably part of what they've been trying to pin on him before the season started.

Is this hit worth 4 games? The puck was there. He seems to be spinning into the boards and leading into them with his hip. There's probably some high contact but FFS we see bigger hits all the time and far worse "head shots". Did the other player leave the game or return later?

Is there another, better angle that clarifies this? I'm legit asking, not trying to spin a homer fanboy angle here. I just don't see 4 games from those clips.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

So the big dumb animal finally got pinched, twice. Surprised its taken this long.

 

[4thTierSport]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...games-this-time.2390493/page-8#post-136300857

Here's some bad video of the latest hit. I don't have audio on to hear the rationalization but the "Key points" list just Boarding and Repeat Offender. One is a 2 minute penalty and the other is arguably part of what they've been trying to pin on him before the season started.

Is this hit worth 4 games? The puck was there. He seems to be spinning into the boards and leading into them with his hip. There's probably some high contact but FFS we see bigger hits all the time and far worse "head shots". Did the other player leave the game or return later?

Is there another, better angle that clarifies this? I'm legit asking, not trying to spin a homer fanboy angle here. I just don't see 4 games from those clips.

Player went through protocol and returned to the game. I can understand a game or maybe two for that hit in a vacuum IF there was a GM called towards the end of a game. It's weird because DoPS has shown they place "more value" to injury over repeat offender. 4 games for a non-injury repeat offender can be viewed as weird/off.

I called that we would see multiple more egregious hits within the opening week that gets nothing from DoPS and 50/50 chance of anything being called on the ice. The hit on Orpik is super close to the initial hit Wilson was suspended for and Trouba's hit is at least right there with Wilson's second hit.

Jesus christ… Trouba was suspended before and puts someone on IR and I can't find anything. I didn't see anything about the league rescinding the Match but I also don't see additional games.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I’m still looking for the mass of defenders of the hit. I see people criticizing the DOPS and refs.

The hit is an indefensible play.

 

[4thTierSport]

I’m still looking for the mass of defenders of the hit. I see people criticizing the DOPS and refs.

The hit is an indefensible play.

The second hit is. That first one is pretty damn questionable.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

The second hit is. That first one is pretty damn questionable.

I agree.

 

[RandyHolt]

What a bullshit call. A LW on the RH boards, he turned his back to Willy to protect the puck along the boards. That was weak sauce city. You can see Willy tried to get in front of him while he was cowering on the boards. He should be expected to make a play or hits are legal on him. I see embellishments in this guys future.

I think the overreaction of nearby players largely is what drives what gets reviewed.

It really sucks for us few remaining fans that love physical hockey, as the neutering of Tom one of the last few hitters is a clear directive from the league to kick off the new year.

 

[RandyHolt]

And Pornstache Parros is in charge of player safety, what is this, some kind of joke? Talk about a puppet for Bentman, and maybe even a feeble marketing effort. Did he apply for the job, or did they seek him out because he is an easily recognizable player. John Scott is next up.

Tom's sobering interview after the 2nd suspension.... sigh. Had I known the league was going after him, I may have wanted him exposed to George. Hitting is a HUGE part of his game. Barry talks the talk and wants more goals from him, but now Barry needs to figure out how to get goals out of him without a heavy forecheck.

We will likely have even less hitting this fall than last, something I didn't even think was possible. I am old school, I need more than PPGs to keep me awake.

 

[ovikovy817]

And Pornstache Parros is in charge of player safety, what is this, some kind of joke? Talk about a puppet for Bentman, and maybe even a feeble marketing effort. Did he apply for the job, or did they seek him out because he is an easily recognizable player. John Scott is next up.

Tom's sobering interview after the 2nd suspension.... sigh. Had I known the league was going after him, I may have wanted him exposed to George. Hitting is a HUGE part of his game. Barry talks the talk and wants more goals from him, but now Barry needs to figure out how to get goals out of him without a heavy forecheck.

We will likely have even less hitting this fall than last, something I didn't even think was possible. I am old school, I need more than PPGs to keep me awake.

Matt Cooke is the next guy to rule the dops

 

[RandyHolt]

Matt Cooke is the next guy to rule the dops

I'd like him as he may overlook some of the bogus calls like the one on Tom. Only, that is a puppet position otherwise a guy like Parros wouldn't let a guy turning his back on the boards decide what is suspension worthy.

Some other candidates for Cooke:

Tiger Williams
Dale Hunter
Tie Domi
Craig Berube

Here is the full list

 

[4thTierSport]

What a bull**** call. A LW on the RH boards, he turned his back to Willy to protect the puck along the boards. That was weak sauce city. You can see Willy tried to get in front of him while he was cowering on the boards. He should be expected to make a play or hits are legal on him. I see embellishments in this guys future.

I think the overreaction of nearby players largely is what drives what gets reviewed.

It really sucks for us few remaining fans that love physical hockey, as the neutering of Tom one of the last few hitters is a clear directive from the league to kick off the new year.

I agree I dislike players using the boards as protections in the manner he did. Use the boards but don't flatten out against them where even a minor bump is going to cause issues. All that being said, Wilson could have handled that differently. This at best a 5 minute major with no GM if the other players don't go crazy and Wilson isn't on the jersey.

I would even be ok if this were 1-2 game suspension and it was consistently carried out. Trouba's drive by chin check that put someone on IR as repeat offender just getting 1 game due to the Match Penalty called blew that out.

I'm to the point where I'm probably not going to turn on any game until I'm bored and it's too cold outside to do anything. The league through the refs and DoPS is making it unwatchable.

 

[Hivemind]

Parros is probably the most qualified head of DoPS they've had in a while. He's replacing Stephane Quintal, for f***'s sake. Parros is at least a Princeton graduate. And despite his history of fighting, he was probably one of the cleaner players in the league (especially when compared to Quintal, Shanahan, and Pronger).

 

[RandyHolt]

I agree Parros was not a dirty player, but the irony seems rich in choosing former goons to head player safety. As the only notable videos of him are pounding on players heads.

Does that make him an authority? Having a college degree looks great but we're talking hockey here. I still think he is a puppet and has been told to have a heavy hand. Standing up for Princeton proud, he should tell Bentman no that Tom's hit was not worth 4 games.

 

[4thTierSport]

Parros is probably the most qualified head of DoPS they've had in a while. He's replacing Stephane Quintal, for ****'s sake. Parros is at least a Princeton graduate. And despite his history of fighting, he was probably one of the cleaner players in the league (especially when compared to Quintal, Shanahan, and Pronger).

What exactly are the transferable skill from economics?

Trouba only getting a game is some damning evidence to Randy's point of George just being a figurehead.