Toews invited to Team Canada camp
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Let's not forget Kopitar and Vanek who both played very well as teens in WC, albeit on very weak teams, but nonetheless.
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A special player is Crosby, Ovechkin, Vanek, etc, and Toews just isn't in their level as a prospect (compared to when the aforementioned, and many more, weere prospects). Heck, he hasn't even led his NCAA team in scoring in the 2 seasons he's been there.
I never debated whether he's a good, top-level prospect. But he's not like the best canadian youngster in last 5 years (or heck, even the last 2) which would be the least needed for a non-NHLer prospect to garner a selection to Team Canada.
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The only reason he didn't lead his team in scoring last years was because he missed games due to an injury and the WJC's. Since Toews had the best ppg average in the WCHA it could be argued that if he had played the full season he would have lead the WCHA in scoring. Toews was third in overall scoring and both the players above him have played 9 more games. Funnily enough the top 3 scorers were Toews, Oshie and Duncan so even if he wasn't the top scorer on his team it's not exactly that bad. If he was not the leading scorer on a weak offensive team then yeah but getting beaten by Oshie and Duncan (players he centred) isn't exactly embarrassing. Also unless i am mistaken in his first year he was only 17 and so the youngest player in the NCAA.
Now we enter territory that I am a little more familiar with. Crosby distinquishes himself from ANY prospect or players over that last decade. Ovechkin is not far behind.
But Vanek, while maybe showing more offensively and while being more proven, was not a better prospect.
Addtionally, right now, I think there is more promise to Toews as a complete offensive, defensive and smart player. His ability to handle pressure and learn quickly is a big factor in reaching another level. Toews is unproven, so although it is a risk, I wouldn't trade Toews right now for Vanek who is excelling on a very stacked team.
So, left with Crosby and Ovy type of prospect then I would have to dismiss using the same definiation of special.
4 points in 3 games. Not bad. Lets see how he does against some stiffer competition which he will see next week.
p.s. Hey Fleury14, why are you dishing a Manitoba boy. You've already shown that your a fan with the Boyd avitar, why are you down on Toews?
Yeah, real 'special'........lol! He's good, but c'mon.........he's special in Austria maybe!
JVR
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Imo, he's pretty special, not only in Austria.
Well, Toews had 43 in 31 games this season, that would have accounted for 55 in 40 and he would have more than Duncan and Oshie.
Well, Toews had 43 in 31 games this season, that would have accounted for 55 in 40 and he would have more than Duncan and Oshie.
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Vanek just had 40 goals in a secondary role in his soph season after 48 points in a very limited role in his rookie season. This is after a ppg in his rookie season as a 20-year old in the 'A', as well as tearing up the NCAA for two years.
He's a future top 5 scorer in the league, I don't see how that's not special.
He´s really good, but if you use the word "special" and name the two best young players in the world in Crosby and Ovechkin with Vanek than I don´t agree with you.
He´s as special as Eric Staal, Dion Phaneuf maybe Heatley, Spezza but Crosby has proven that he´s in his own league.
As for Toews, he MAY not put up over a PPG as E. Staal or Vanek but to write him off this early as not being special is beyond me. Let´s see what he can do in his first two NHL seasons.
He was an outstanding College player, has won several world championships and is known as a great leader and clutch player and now he plays really good at the mens world championship at age 19.
I really don´t know what else you are looking for in a 19 year old kid to see something special but to be tied in scoring with Rick Nash while collecting 3 of 4 assists against the best opponent thus far, not being out of place, not hurting his team with errors, showing great on-ice vision, speed, puck control like a pro... I think he has all the tools to be special!
Heres another interesting tidbit that might indicate that Toews is that S word, you know the one "Special"
Toews, who turned 19 on April 29, played with the University of North Dakota this year prior to getting the phone call to make his senior international debut. It is an extraordinary compliment to his skills and development that he is here in Moscow, because Canada rarely promotes a player so quickly.
In fact, only twice previously has a Canadian played at the World Juniors and the senior World Championship in the same year. In 1983, three players made the leap—James Patrick, Gord Sherven, and Pat Flatley. They won a bronze with the juniors in January '83, and just a few weeks later played on the bronze medal team with the senior men's team.
In 1992, goalie Trevor Kidd backstopped Canada to a disappointing sixth-place finish in the junior tournament, but was so impressive with the national team that year that he was added to the World Championship team in Czechoslovakia. Kidd played one game with the big boys, and he was the last to achieve the junior-senior double in the same season.
http://live82.ihwc.net/english/teams/article.ihwc?team=CAN&aId=2535
Toews, who turned 19 on April 29, played with the University of North Dakota this year prior to getting the phone call to make his senior international debut. It is an extraordinary compliment to his skills and development that he is here in Moscow, because Canada rarely promotes a player so quickly.
In fact, only twice previously has a Canadian played at the World Juniors and the senior World Championship in the same year. In 1983, three players made the leap—James Patrick, Gord Sherven, and Pat Flatley. They won a bronze with the juniors in January '83, and just a few weeks later played on the bronze medal team with the senior men's team.
In 1992, goalie Trevor Kidd backstopped Canada to a disappointing sixth-place finish in the junior tournament, but was so impressive with the national team that year that he was added to the World Championship team in Czechoslovakia. Kidd played one game with the big boys, and he was the last to achieve the junior-senior double in the same season.
http://live82.ihwc.net/english/teams/article.ihwc?team=CAN&aId=2535
I think it's time to offer you that hat Fleury 14 re: Toews...
Yup...my kind of warm body. Time to eat your hat....
I think it would be fair if you did the gentlemanly thing and replied to this post with a quote stating "chomp, chomp, munch, munch, gulp, gulp...mmmmmm"
Awaiting your reply....
Yup...my kind of warm body. Time to eat your hat....
I think it would be fair if you did the gentlemanly thing and replied to this post with a quote stating "chomp, chomp, munch, munch, gulp, gulp...mmmmmm"
Awaiting your reply....
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Toews has made many posters look stupid here at HF. It's been going on for years. I don't know why everyone continues to doubt him and downplay his abilities.
Three years ago he was called a 'safe' prospect because he is very good defensively. Three quarters of the posters here decided that 'safe' and 'defensive' mean he is going to be a two way, 60 point guy.
That is so far from the truth. Toews has every bit as much offensive potential as Eric Staal has, and I laugh at all the people who don't know that, because they always look so foolish when he steps up and delivers.
Three years ago he was called a 'safe' prospect because he is very good defensively. Three quarters of the posters here decided that 'safe' and 'defensive' mean he is going to be a two way, 60 point guy.
That is so far from the truth. Toews has every bit as much offensive potential as Eric Staal has, and I laugh at all the people who don't know that, because they always look so foolish when he steps up and delivers.
I have seen this kid practicing...
he is a machine. The WJC shoot out marksmanship display was just a product of his prodigious practice regimien. This kid can place them at will, due to insane practice in his basement shooting.
This kid is what I call an ultimate "balanced" player. Threat vs Defensive - Agressive vs Aware - Strong vs Smart - Pass vs Shoot.
Brian Trottier "part deux"
he is a machine. The WJC shoot out marksmanship display was just a product of his prodigious practice regimien. This kid can place them at will, due to insane practice in his basement shooting.
This kid is what I call an ultimate "balanced" player. Threat vs Defensive - Agressive vs Aware - Strong vs Smart - Pass vs Shoot.
Brian Trottier "part deux"
Waiting...
for your acknowlegement.
J.A.
Yup...my kind of warm body. Time to eat your hat....
I think it would be fair if you did the gentlemanly thing and replied to this post with a quote stating "chomp, chomp, munch, munch, gulp, gulp...mmmmmm"
Awaiting your reply....
for your acknowlegement.
J.A.
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