Today's Meeting: Any News???

[crossxcheck]

Sportsnet says the counter offer included a soft cap of 54% of revenues to go to player salaries.

that's sounds about right. not their best offer, though. still plenty more negotiations left.

 

[X8oD]

if somebody offered you the money the players make you would take it.

not if they told me, the result would be in a year you wont have a job, and will be back making $100 a game if your lucky.

that seems to be the issue i have with the players stance. Everything they say and do ends up boiling down to 1 idea... We dont care how screwed up the NHL is, as long as we get paid.

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

not if they told me, the result would be in a year you wont have a job, and will be back making $100 a game if your lucky.

that seems to be the issue i have with the players stance. Everything they say and do ends up boiling down to 1 idea... We dont care how screwed up the NHL is, as long as we get paid.

who screwed the game up. the players?????????

the owners are the guys that gave these guys the contracts

 

[chaachie12]

there doesn't have to be a linkage between revenues and player costs. name a business in this world that has cost certanity.

You can throw out all other businesses in the world when it comes to professional sports. What other business does the entry level position pay 1.3 mil per year? Not the mail room clerks at my office, I will tell you that.

Some of the other pro sports have cost certainty...so shouldn't that be the better comparison? I don't know, I am just speculating.

 

[Leafer4Life]

Thanks, Bettman.......... Bah Humbug

 

[Benji Frank]

not if they told me, the result would be in a year you wont have a job, and will be back making $100 a game if your lucky.

that seems to be the issue i have with the players stance. Everything they say and do ends up boiling down to 1 idea... We dont care how screwed up the NHL is, as long as we get paid.

So someone offers you the winning 6/49 ticket and tells you a year form now instead of getting another winning 6/49 you're going to only get a scratch and win with 3 different coloured 7's on it, you're goin to turn it down and settle for 5 out of 6 plus the bonus for 4 or 5 years instead???

Sure you are....

 

[neelynugs]

Thanks, Bettman.......... Bah Humbug

ummm...what did he say?

 

[Leafer4Life]

ummm...what did he say?

Our conclusion is that the proposal does not work. It is fatally flawed

 

[i am dave]

Owners are not the sole proprioters of excessive contracts. Arbitration and agents deal into the mix too. Don't act as if a guy like Bobby Holik just happened to stumble upon a $9 million deal.

This would all be a non-issue if the revenue actually existed to justify why the players shouldn't be capped.

 

[waffledave]

He's basically saying why the NHLPA's proposal doesn't work, and he's explaining the NHL's porposal.

The rollback gets higher and higher as salaries increase. For someone with low salary, it's a 10% rollback, but for players with salaries of $5 mill+ have to take a 35% rollback.

 

[waffledave]

Now he's saying why the Luxury tax doesn't work.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

there doesn't have to be a linkage between revenues and player costs. name a business in this world that has cost certanity.

Almost all of them, if cost certainty is what you call a linkage between revenues and salaries.

The NHL should stop using the terms "cost certainty". They are inaccurate and tend to confuse the more simple minded individuals, as evidenced here.

 

[Slats432]

there doesn't have to be a linkage between revenues and player costs. name a business in this world that has cost certanity.

Name a business in this world that depends on the strength of all competitors to be successful.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

the owners are the guys that gave these guys the contracts

That is a lie.

Contracts are negotiated by both parties. The players and their cockroache-agents work very hard to get these contracts.

 

[Motown Beatdown]

BTW you can watch the presser live on tsn.ca

 

[dw2927]

Name a business in this world that depends on the strength of all competitors to be successful.

Exactly, exactly, exactly...its not a free market, it is supposed to be a mini-socialist model..

 

[FLYLine27*]

I think Gary just said they want a cap 38 million and they have to spend at leas 32. But im getting the conference in unclear.

 

[X8oD]

So someone offers you the winning 6/49 ticket and tells you a year form now instead of getting another winning 6/49 you're going to only get a scratch and win with 3 different coloured 7's on it, you're goin to turn it down and settle for 5 out of 6 plus the bonus for 4 or 5 years instead???

Sure you are....

the mere fact you are comparing the NHL Salary structure to winning the Lottery pretty much sums up why most people view the Owners in the right and the players in the wrong.

 

[2112]

Whoa, is that the first time Bettman said there was something wrong with the game? :

 

[Digger12]

-Same 24% rollback, but lower percentages for low salary guys and higher percentages for high salary guys

-Get rid of bonuses altogether for rookie contracts

-Totally shot down luxury tax proposal

-NOT seeking the elimination of guaranteed contracts

-Offered a structure where median salary would be the same as last year

-Raise min salary to 300k

-Liberalizing UFA status (possibility of lowering age)

-Team player costs from 38.6 to 44.6 million/yr, negotiable (may have heard the 44.6 number wrong)

 

[FLYLine27*]

-Same 24% rollback, but lower percentages for low salary guys and higher percentages for high salary guys

-Get rid of bonuses altogether for rookie contracts

-Totally shot down luxury tax proposal

-NOT seeking the elimination of guaranteed contracts

-Agreed a structure where median salary remains unchanged

-Raise min salary to 300k

-Liberalizing UFA status (possibility of lowering age)

-Team player costs from 38.6 to 44.6 million/yr, negotiable (may have heard the 44.6 number wrong)

I think he said 34 Million. But i might have heard it wrong also.

 

[Leafer4Life]

This turns my stomach........

 

[Seachd]

That is a lie.

Contracts are negotiated by both parties. The players and their cockroache-agents work very hard to get these contracts.

And let's not forget: All this was uncharted territory for everyone. Salaries have never been so high. Who knew it would grow so fast, and who knew at what point the system would fall apart? It's been a test run of sorts.

Now we know where it starts to stop working. It should be fixed as such.

 

[FLYLine27*]

The media is RIPPING GARY APART!

 

[Seachd]

The media is RIPPING GARY APART!

Huh? I'm not sure what you're watching, but back here on Planet Earth, Bettman's doing very well for himself, after making a very fair proposal.