Tkachuk Spears Martin from the bench - Suspended 1 Game

[pheasant]

My post mentioned intent because you conveniently left it out of your original post. Now, let's actually have a conversation with some substance.

I do in fact think Tkachuk meant to hurt him. Have you been speared before? And please, don't bother responding with some meaningless anecdote about a toy lightsaber, answer the question directly.
It doesn't take a tremendous amount of force for someone to hurt you by spearing you in the stomach/groin with a hockey stick. I've been speared before, it isn't pleasant.

It really does seem that you're arguing just for the sake of arguing, or, you just have an affinity for dirty players and feel obligated to defend them.

Yes I've been speared before. And yes it hurts. I'll leave the jokes out of this one. You can absolutely hurt someone real bad with a stick blade. I'm not a fan of dirty players, or even Tkachuk specifically.

Where we disagree is the intent and possible results. This looked very tame to me. It looked more like Tkachuk was trying to be a jerk and annoy Martin, not trying to hurt him. I believe that because he didn't seem to hit him very hard. I don't think he used enough force to cause any harm. Martin says he didn't feel it, so it must not have had any real chance of hurting him. Martin calls Tkachuk's spear 'child's play,' says he didn't feel it

If a player really did try to hurt someone else by spearing them after a whistle (or a slew foot or what have you), then I would be happy to see them suspended.

 

[Lunatik]

Sorry to pick on your post but I refuse to read the rest of the thread as I'm sure there's a lot of banter back and forth. But when are we going to stop using the word minor when addressing the actions of a repeat offender such as Tkachuk.

Maybe when he does something that isn't minor? Weird, eh?

 

[MajorLeafsFan]

This kid is just like his dad (even though sometimes I wish he wasn't)
I'd give this a game, maybe a fine for illegal use of the stick, also while on the bench (Which is actually fine-able by NHL standards)

 

[Baxterman]

No one said anything about getting rid of guys who don't do anything wrong.

He's talking about Tkachuk. The guy who is likely about to get his third suspension in his first season and a half in the NHL.

3 suspensions, none of them deserved, none of them a dangerous or reckless play.

He didn't, and still hasn't, done anything wrong during his career.

 

[Baxterman]

Someone who broke the rules 2x from the bench this month-should be suspended.

When was the other time he broke the rules from the bench?

 

[Byrral]

Maybe when he does something that isn't minor? Weird, eh?

So from this point forward players on the bench are allowed to get involved in the play on the ice and that is considered minor. Got it.

 

[Pyrophorus]

When was the other time he broke the rules from the bench?

Witowski was basically from the bench.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

3 suspensions, none of them deserved, none of them a dangerous or reckless play.

He didn't, and still hasn't, done anything wrong during his career.

Yeah the elbow to the head of Doughty wasn't reckless or dangerous. Spearing a guy from the bench isn't reckless or dangerous.

Whatever you say pal.

 

[4thTierSport]

3 suspensions, none of them deserved, none of them a dangerous or reckless play.

He didn't, and still hasn't, done anything wrong during his career.

In a thread about said player spearing someone… You can't make this kind of nonsense up.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

This kid is just like his dad (even though sometimes I wish he wasn't)
I'd give this a game, maybe a fine for illegal use of the stick, also while on the bench (Which is actually fine-able by NHL standards)

That's an insult to Keith. He played with an edge to his game but was a good power forward and fought his own battles.

 

[Baxterman]

Witowski was basically from the bench.

Other than the fact that he was clearly on the ice and not really near the bench, sure it was "basically" from the bench.

 

[Baxterman]

That's an insult to Keith. He played with an edge to his game but was a good power forward and fought his own battles.

When does Tkachuk not fight his own battles?

 

[PucksOnNet]

Yes I've been speared before. And yes it hurts. I'll leave the jokes out of this one. You can absolutely hurt someone real bad with a stick blade. I'm not a fan of dirty players, or even Tkachuk specifically.

Where we disagree is the intent and possible results. This looked very tame to me. It looked more like Tkachuk was trying to be a jerk and annoy Martin, not trying to hurt him. I believe that because he didn't seem to hit him very hard. I don't think he used enough force to cause any harm. Martin says he didn't feel it, so it must not have had any real chance of hurting him. Martin calls Tkachuk's spear 'child's play,' says he didn't feel it

If a player really did try to hurt someone else by spearing them after a whistle (or a slew foot or what have you), then I would be happy to see them suspended.

I watched the Martin interview earlier, and was surprised to see he didn't feel it. It still doesn't excuse does Tkachuk's behavior, from a moral or safety standpoint.

The bottom line is, Tkachuk is a dirty player, plain and simple. He slew foots, he spears, he elbows. He's a rat, and I'm not giving the benefit of the doubt to a player of his disposition.

 

[Baxterman]

Yeah the elbow to the head of Doughty wasn't reckless or dangerous. Spearing a guy from the bench isn't reckless or dangerous.

Whatever you say pal.

The elbow that barely hit Doughty?

As mentioned earlier the most dangerous and reckless play was Doughty diving to the ice trying to draw a penalty.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

When does Tkachuk not fight his own battles?

When he pokes a player who's being escorted off the ice by a ref, then hides behind his teammates and throws suckerpunches in the ensuing scrum.

For such a big fan it's like you've never seen the guy play.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Other than the fact that he was clearly on the ice and not really near the bench, sure it was "basically" from the bench.

He was near the bench, as his slash was from the bench door. Then he went through onto the bench.
How could he slash someone, that was off the ice completely. Had to be near an entrance.

 

[PucksOnNet]

The elbow that barely hit Doughty?

As mentioned earlier the most dangerous and reckless play was Doughty diving to the ice trying to draw a penalty.

Are..are you being serious?

If I had no context here I would say you're being rhetorical.

 

[tny760]

When he pokes a player who's being escorted off the ice by a ref, then hides behind his teammates and throws suckerpunches in the ensuing scrum.

For such a big fan it's like you've never seen the guy play.

[mod]

he's literally taking reality, flipping it 180, and proclaiming it to be truth

 

[Baxterman]

When he pokes a player who's being escorted off the ice by a ref, then hides behind his teammates and throws suckerpunches in the ensuing scrum.

For such a big fan it's like you've never seen the guy play.

He didn't hide behind anyone, what are you talking about?

 

[Baxterman]

He was near the bench, as his slash was from the bench door. Then he went through onto the bench.
How could he slash someone, that was off the ice completely. Had to be near an entrance.

Both of his skates and his whole body we on the ice, not a single part of his body was on the bench so no it wasn't from the bench.

He was able to poke someone going off the ice because it was the other guy off the ice not Tkachuk.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Matt Cooke 2.0

Matt Cookchuk.

 

[tny760]

Where we disagree is the intent and possible results. This looked very tame to me. It looked more like Tkachuk was trying to be a jerk and annoy Martin, not trying to hurt him. I believe that because he didn't seem to hit him very hard. I don't think he used enough force to cause any harm. Martin says he didn't feel it, so it must not have had any real chance of hurting him. Martin calls Tkachuk's spear 'child's play,' says he didn't feel it

you think matt martin, a career tough guy, is gonna be like "yeah man that really hurt, especially my feelings, i really hope the NHL sees that and suspends him"? of course he's gonna say he didn't notice, he's not gonna feed tkachuk by directly telling him that it bothered him..

 

[Pyrophorus]

Keith never played like this.
To think, he called Marner a rat....lol

 

[djpatm]

Hahaha I love it.

He deserves a suspension, even though that was super tame. Can't be doing that from the bench.

I think he forgot he's in the NHL and there are cameras everywhere.

 

[North]

He didn't hide behind anyone, what are you talking about?

He hid behind everyone.

The kid is a turtle.