Prospect Info: Timothy Liljegren - AHL Edition

Apotheosis

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When he plays is dependent on how he looks like from here to the start of training camp next year. If he tears it up and fixes some kinks in his game, shows that at training camp, he's a lock for a 9 games IMO.
 

CantLoseWithMatthews

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he had a very good solid wjc, hopefully he stays healthy and finishes strong with the marlies, get some playoff experience in the ahl...then work hard during the 4 month summer, come back stronger and better, and we'll see how he looks next camp...hes 100 percent not ready now, but he aint far
yeah the best place for him right now is the Marlies. it's on him to make sure the best place for him is the NHL by next year, and earn a roster spot. he has the skills and now has to put the work in
 

Macallan18

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I think he might be up half way next season a la Dermott.

I don't know what Bobcat thinks about the lineup at all. Baffles me. If it wasn't for his current unfathomable playing of Polak over Dermott, and even Carrick, then what I would predict is that Lily finishes this year in the AHL, starts next year in the AHL, plays the WJC, and gets a look see call up in the second half of next year.
But with Dermott looking now like he will yo-yo, things are stacking up.
Of course, maybe Polak will be gone next year?
Imagine something like this at the end of next season:

Rielly- Dermott
Gardiner-Lily
Borgman-Zaitsev

Now THAT would be a mobile, offensively productive, and yet competent d-team. I know Dermott is on his offside, but I'm hoping that would work.
 
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I don't know what Bobcat thinks about the lineup at all. Baffles me. If it wasn't for his current unfathomable playing of Polak over Dermott, and even Carrick, then what I would predict is that Lily finishes this year in the AHL, starts next year in the AHL, plays the WJC, and gets a look see call up in the second half of next year.
But with Dermott looking now like he will yo-yo, things are stacking up.
Of course, maybe Polak will be gone next year?
Imagine something like this at the end of next season:

Rielly- Dermott
Gardiner-Lily
Borgman-Zaitsev

Now THAT would be a mobile, offensively productive, and yet competent d-team. I know Dermott is on his offside, but I'm hoping that would work.

You forgot Hainsey?
 

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I don't know what Bobcat thinks about the lineup at all. Baffles me. If it wasn't for his current unfathomable playing of Polak over Dermott, and even Carrick, then what I would predict is that Lily finishes this year in the AHL, starts next year in the AHL, plays the WJC, and gets a look see call up in the second half of next year.
But with Dermott looking now like he will yo-yo, things are stacking up.
Of course, maybe Polak will be gone next year?
Imagine something like this at the end of next season:

Rielly- Dermott
Gardiner-Lily
Borgman-Zaitsev

Now THAT would be a mobile, offensively productive, and yet competent d-team. I know Dermott is on his offside, but I'm hoping that would work.

Rielly Hainsey
Dermott Zaitsev
Gardiner Borgman
Lily
 
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Mr Hockey

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#4 or #5? thats pushing it.

Liljegren played very well. Dahlin was the clear #1, but then it was Brannstrom and Liljegren, and then everyone else
I was responding to someone who said Lily could play on the Leafs 3rd pairing already and do well. Here is my unbiased opinion on how the Swedes d'men ranked from the tourney.

  1. Dahlin
  2. Brännström
  3. Sellgren
  4. Liljegren /Moverare
Here comes the trolls ....
 
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Mr Hockey

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I understand you're a neutral fan here like TWS, but your opinion is still off base

Also before the tournament you said the Marlies wouldn't miss him at all and he won't make an impact, right?
someone said in the "Marlies thread" that the Marlies will really miss Lily during the WJCU20, I said " they will miss Dermott and not so much lily" you continue to bring this up in multiple threads too and try to use it against me all the time for some childish reason.
 

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someone said in the "Marlies thread" that the Marlies will really miss Lily during the WJCU20, I said " they will miss Dermott and not so much lily" you continue to bring this up in multiple threads too and try to use it against me all the time for some childish reason.
"you're biased because you said Lily would be good at the start of the tournament!"
"why are you bringing up what I said about Liljegren's ability at the start of the tournament? very childish"
very cool stuff but you're not doing yourself many favors here
 

stickty111

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I understand you're a neutral fan here like TWS, but your opinion is still off base

Also before the tournament you said the Marlies wouldn't miss him at all and he won't make an impact, right?
Interestingly Marlies started struggling when Lilly went to the World Juniors. The Marlies missed him and it showed in their play and record.
He said Lilly is 5 years away from playing in top 4 for the Leafs. Biased.
 

Mr Hockey

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Interestingly Marlies started struggling when Lilly went to the World Juniors. The Marlies missed him and it showed in their play and record.
He said Lilly is 5 years away from playing in top 4 for the Leafs. Biased.

C'mon lol, Lily had a good ending to the tourney but he was possibly the #3/4 /5 d'man on just the Swedish team. Lily needs a 2-3 more years in the AHL.

I am pretty sure the post above quotes me as saying lily is 2-3 years away and not 5, ... Dermott was injured, Marnicin was called up to the Leafs and Lily went to the WJCU20, all at the same time. ...you will flat out lie and mislead to try and make a point, .... :thumbu:
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews

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I am pretty sure the post above quotes me as saying lily is 2-3 years away and not 5, ... Dermott was injured, Marnicin was called up to the Leafs and Lily went to the WJCU20, all at the same time. ...you will flat out lie and mislead to try and make a point, .... :thumbu:
read it again bud. he said your claim was 5 years from being in the Leafs top 4, not 5 years from being in the NHL. it's hard to make points to someone who dodges them like it's his job
 

Mr Hockey

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read it again bud. he said your claim was 5 years from being in the Leafs top 4, not 5 years from being in the NHL. it's hard to make points to someone who dodges them like it's his job
I would say he is 4- 5 years away from being a nhl top 4 d.man, I would agree with that., [MOD]
 
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I was responding to someone who said Lily could play on the Leafs 3rd pairing already and do well. Here is my unbiased opinion on how the Swedes d'men ranked from the tourney.

  1. Dahlin
  2. Brännström
  3. Sellgren
  4. Liljegren /Moverare
Unbiased or not that's an extremely (understatement) questionable ranking.
Dahlin at 1 is undisputed
Brannstrom/Liljegren comes down to conjecture as to which role Monten valued more, 2nd fiddle to Dahlin with more minutes or driving the second pair
Liljegren vs. Sellgren/ Moverare... at best it's Rielly v Hainsey/ Karlsson v Methot. Pair driver vs steady eddy enabler, most people take the play driver every time. At worst it's Rielly v Polak, top 4 pla driver vs 5d pk specialist
 
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Mr Hockey

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Unbiased or not that's an extremely (understatement) questionable ranking.
Dahlin at 1 is undisputed
Brainstorm/Liljegren comes down to conjecture as to which role Monten valued more, 2nd fiddle to Dahlin with more minutes or driving the second pair
Liljegren vs. Sellgren/ Moverare... at best it's Rielly v Hainsey/ Karlsson v Methot. Pair driver vs steady eddy enabler, most people take the play driver every time. At worst it's Rielly v Polak, top 4 pla driver vs 5d pk specialist



Dahlin and Brännström were clearly #1,2 ... I think Sellgren was impressive an had the better overall tourney than Lily. If Lily was deployed as a PK'er, I could see putting him 3rd. This is my opinion from watching all the swedish games.
 
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Dahlin and Brännström were clearly #1,2 ... I think Sellgren was impressive an had the better overall tourney than Lily. If Lily was deployed as a PK'er, I could see putting him 3rd. This is my opinion from watching all the swedish games.

I simply disagree.
A. I don't think you can put Brannstrom as clearly 2, it's a push as to who was better once the games got meaningful (Russia onward) having him "clearly" ahead reeks of just putting too much stock into pure minutes played. It was the result of being paired with Dahlin. Only Monten knows which he thinks was the tougher/ more responsible job. Reading it either way definitively is pure self supportive conjecture.
B. Wrt to PK, people put way too much stock into it for classifying defenseman's roles. It's a fundamentally different game state. As a rule the pk is harder to succeed but easier to be adequate/ good, far more static and formulaic, pure survival mode. No one tries to spin 4thline pk specialists being higher on the depthchart than a 2C, nor should it be for D.
 

Mr Hockey

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I simply disagree.
A. I don't think you can put Brannstrom as clearly 2, it's a push as to who was better once the games got meaningful (Russia onward) having him "clearly" ahead reeks of just putting too much stock into pure minutes played. It was the result of being paired with Dahlin. Only Monten knows which he thinks was the tougher/ more responsible job. Reading it either way definitively is pure self supportive conjecture.
B. Wrt to PK, people put way too much stock into it for classifying defenseman's roles. It's a fundamentally different game state. As a rule the pk is harder to succeed but easier to be adequate/ good, far more static and formulaic, pure survival mode. No one tries to spin 4thline pk specialists being higher on the depthchart than a 2C, nor should it be for D.

Our opinions differ, all is good.
 

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