Speculation: The Roster Building Thread - To the deadline and beyond!

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Skinner for Trouba
Faulk for ROR
Rask + ??? For Hoffman
Sign JT

Aho - Tavares - TT
Hoffman - ROR - Lindholm
McGinn - Staal - Zykov
Nordstrom - Kruger - Jooris

Slavin - Pesce
Hanifin - Trouba
Fluery - TVR

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HRL: Possession and scoring
MSZ: Shutdown and make them pay
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but yeah, of our current forwards, the ones I'd put as expendable from least to most:
Nordy
Ryan
Stempniak
Krueger
Jooris
PDG

I'd find a way to keep the top 2 on the list for next season at least, the last 3 we either hold through a playoff push or we move this offseason or at the deadline.

Am I missing something on Nordy? He's about at the top of the expendable pile to me, he's just such a nothing player. He doesn't have great speed, no shot or hands to speak of, gets pushed off the puck easily, hits once a month, doesn't really bring anything other than existing. I would have much rather have kept Stahlberg last season, at least his speed would create some havoc, especially on the PK. I'm hoping McLovin can be like that next year
 

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I'm hoping Foegele can take a spot next year also. I'd also like to see the Canes have enough talent to put McGinn on the 4th line and if Krueger can find the form that made him a desirable target, that could be a formidable 4th line that can add some offense.

One other thing I was thinking watching the game last night. Although the Canes PP has come alive the last dozen or so games, they frequently execute that play where it gets down low to Lindholm and he makes a perfect pass to Staal in the slot. Staal hits on a couple of those, but man, if there was a guy with better hands and a better shot, he could be deadly there. He'd have to be a guy that is strong enough to play that spot though.

I wonder if that could be a role for Zykov (assuming his overall game is good enough to be on the team)? He's 3" shorter than Staal, but the same weight so maybe he's strong enough, but also has the hands / shot that Staal doesn't. For those that watch the Checkers, what role does Zykov play on the PP?
 

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So we're going to pay Tavares 80-90 mill over 7 years? It will probably take an obscene amount of money to get him to even consider a team like ours. He'll probably sign with a team further along in their development if he signs with any up and coming team, and that's if he doesn't re-sign with the Islanders.

I think if we don't land a #1 center this offseason, which seems likely if history is any indication, we'll need to try Aho at center at some point.

I also think Necas is probably a lock to play here next season. Probably not at center because Peters doesn't seem to trust anyone but vets (except for Rask for some reason) playing center. But I would hope he gets a shot there too.
 

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I also think Necas is probably a lock to play here next season. Probably not at center because Peters doesn't seem to trust anyone but vets (except for Rask for some reason) playing center. But I would hope he gets a shot there too.

I think they will play Necas at center as that is where they put him when he played this year with the team. Assuming no center is traded for (ROR, RNH, etc.), JT signs with the Islanders and Necas makes the team, then I think they might make a splash with a winger and also leave Aho at wing. Then you’d have something like this next year:

Aho-Staal-TT
JVR-Necas-Lindholm
Skinner-Rask-Williams
McGinn-Kruger-McLovin
 

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Am I missing something on Nordy? He's about at the top of the expendable pile to me, he's just such a nothing player. He doesn't have great speed, no shot or hands to speak of, gets pushed off the puck easily, hits once a month, doesn't really bring anything other than existing. I would have much rather have kept Stahlberg last season, at least his speed would create some havoc, especially on the PK. I'm hoping McLovin can be like that next year

was going to say the same thing re: nordstrom. would actually put stempniak a little higher on the list. it feels like he might have another year as a solid top 9 before it's time to hang it up, but it feels like this might be his last season considering the injuries and recovery time. he's made good money. he wouldn't have to play for what we would offer him.

nordstrom is about the very definition of replacement level. he reminds me of patty dwyer. great on the kill and not a liability at even strength, but not a player that takes a regular shift on a team with aspirations of really going somewhere... unless they're cap strapped and trying to squeeze the orange of their ahl team for a little extra juice.

plus, the risk/reward makes sense here. if we can get someone in that can replicate his role like foegele, we've just cut salary and not missed a beat. those are the type of moves that you have to start making when the upper end of your roster starts to get heavier as far as salary. if we find out that foegele can't handle it, then we're able to outsource and bring in a guy like stalberg that another team is trying to dump.

brock mcginn is a real wildcard for me. he's been getting better every season and has shown that his shot is a real threat. what does he have, 10 posts and crossbars on the season? he should easily be good for 15 goals. the idea of moving a player that has been improving as much as brock has *down* in the lineup would mean that we really really got better. he's shown enough this year to suspect that you could plug him into your top 9 for next year. for a player that turns 24 in a few days, he's established as a regular now. plus, with the skill level he has you could easily pair him with a player like necas on your 3rd line next season and not expect a total disaster offensively. he can keep up. plus, he brings a dimension we sorely lack in terms of playing with some sandpaper. that hit on karlsson last game after phaneuf took a run at him was fantastic. you'll notice it didn't happen again. we need more of that, not less.

the biggest problem with the current roster is that we have an abundance of second/third line hybrids and none of them are really grabbing the ring. lindholm would be perfect with just one more leap in development to the 55-60 point level where you expect a lot of your strong 2nd line centers to reside. hanging out in the 40-45 range with rask (normally) and ryan... we just need a little more. ideally we'd get a first line guy that could supplant jordan and allow him to fit that role and push lindholm to the 3rd line where he seems to profile better, but we simply don't have the right structure down the middle if that makes sense. ideal 2nd line center forced to take first line assignments. ideal 3rd line centers being shoehorned into the 2nd line. a player like ryan who would be a good 3rd liner and pp specialist being asked to carry an unreasonable offensive role. it's just not a super well-made group. wildly inconsistent and no forwards (save the tsa line) that you can count on every night. the right move will have a domino effect that can put everyone in a place their game is suited for... but what is that move? what will it cost? that's the question.
 

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I'm hoping Foegele can take a spot next year also. I'd also like to see the Canes have enough talent to put McGinn on the 4th line and if Krueger can find the form that made him a desirable target, that could be a formidable 4th line that can add some offense.

One other thing I was thinking watching the game last night. Although the Canes PP has come alive the last dozen or so games, they frequently execute that play where it gets down low to Lindholm and he makes a perfect pass to Staal in the slot. Staal hits on a couple of those, but man, if there was a guy with better hands and a better shot, he could be deadly there. He'd have to be a guy that is strong enough to play that spot though.

I wonder if that could be a role for Zykov (assuming his overall game is good enough to be on the team)? He's 3" shorter than Staal, but the same weight so maybe he's strong enough, but also has the hands / shot that Staal doesn't. For those that watch the Checkers, what role does Zykov play on the PP?

I was thinking about this last game when staal got that shot from that angle. If a big body with some finish was planted there, my god
 

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I was thinking about this last game when staal got that shot from that angle. If a big body with some finish was planted there, my god

I too wish we had a big body, or a body at all that could finish or gets shots off in the slot. I feel like our forwards are relatively good at getting open behind the net, and often send the puck to this area only to turn it over, or have it clog up on sticks and skates. That's a hard play to execute with any regularity, but as often as they try it, it'd be nice to convert more.
 

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I too wish we had a big body, or a body at all that could finish or gets shots off in the slot. I feel like our forwards are relatively good at getting open behind the net, and often send the puck to this area only to turn it over, or have it clog up on sticks and skates. That's a hard play to execute with any regularity, but as often as they try it, it'd be nice to convert more.

That's why I was thinking Zykov. He's a big body and I believe he has good hands and a good shot. I'm just not sure if he's NHL material though.
 

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Am I missing something on Nordy? He's about at the top of the expendable pile to me, he's just such a nothing player. He doesn't have great speed, no shot or hands to speak of, gets pushed off the puck easily, hits once a month, doesn't really bring anything other than existing. I would have much rather have kept Stahlberg last season, at least his speed would create some havoc, especially on the PK. I'm hoping McLovin can be like that next year

I'm thinking part of the deal with Nordy is that he's lost a half-step over the past two seasons. Which is normal for a player who plays his style, but that half-step was what made him more than a plug. He would get to pucks with a little bit of a speed advantage and his collisions were a little bit harder than average... now he just chugs around the ice at the same speed as everyone else. Which, as noted above, makes him the very definition of a replacement level player.
 

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That's why I was thinking Zykov. He's a big body and I believe he has good hands and a good shot. I'm just not sure if he's NHL material though.

I'm all aboard the Zykov train. I think he's earned a shot in the NHL. His 22 goals are good for second in the AHL. I hope this season is a sign of things to come for him.
 

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I'll be a bit surprised if Necas isn't on the Canes roster next year. He'll have played in a men's league for 2 seasons so it's not like he's coming from junior hockey playing against 17 year olds. Although I have no insight for sure, I just have a feeling the Canes would put him in a 3C role next year to start the season and see how it goes. He plays with such speed and can make plays at speed. Lastly, it wouldn't surprise me to see Foegele get a 4th line shot.
 

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Am I missing something on Nordy? He's about at the top of the expendable pile to me, he's just such a nothing player. He doesn't have great speed, no shot or hands to speak of, gets pushed off the puck easily, hits once a month, doesn't really bring anything other than existing. I would have much rather have kept Stahlberg last season, at least his speed would create some havoc, especially on the PK. I'm hoping McLovin can be like that next year
Big thing to me with Nordy is that he's an excellent PKer. Not saying he can't be replaced but I honestly think we have guys that are actually more likely to replace that 3rd line role in the org then we do 4th liners. McLovin is notably the best of the bunch of guys that project like they could be a 4th liner up here now. I don't disagree one bit about Stalberg, he was the better of the two and I wouldn't mind us bringing him back in.
 

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Moving this here since its more appropriate thread.

Maybe its just me but i don't see the point in overpaying for some deadline acquisitions where even if we make the playoffs i don't think w e have the goal tending to make a deep run. I mean unless cam elevates to 06 cam in the playoffs.

Pure rental, yeah, doesn't make sense. Guy (like ROR or RNH for example) that still has term though, I could get onboard with, depending on price.
 

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Pure rental, yeah, doesn't make sense. Guy (like ROR or RNH for example) that still has term though, I could get onboard with, depending on price.

Agreed. Especially since the idea of Tavares getting to 7/1 is a pipe dream IMO and the rest of the center FA pool is not exceptional this year, I think the two options you mentioned make more sense than a rental.

I guess a rental could make sense if it's cheap, but with so few teams identified as "sellers" now and so many considering a playoff push, I doubt any rentals will be cheap this deadline.
 

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Moving this here since its more appropriate thread.



Maybe its just me but i don't see the point in overpaying for some deadline acquisitions where even if we make the playoffs i don't think w e have the goal tending to make a deep run. I mean unless cam elevates to 06 cam in the playoffs.


I don't think Francis will overpay in any situation.

There are many compelling reasons to push for a Playoff spot without being a Cup contender.
1) Anything can happen (wishful thinking)
2) Reward STM with some real entertainment
3) A Playoff run will do wonders for attendance and buzz leading into next year
4) A guy like JT might see that as a team who is closer to competing
5) A playoff spot pushes a narrative of "moving forward". Canes marketing folks want to be selling a team on the brink of greatness rather than one who just missed the Playoffs for 10 years in a row.
 

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Anyone else no longer able to see tweets on here? I have everything disabled on disconnect/NS/badget/ADP, still no luck. Probably something behind the scenes at work, since I don't have an issue at home.

In the meantime, what is the tweet you're all referring to? :)
 

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