The Official Pierre "high five" Dorion Thread | Part II

[Tuna99]

Pretty sure all Dorion does is hype prospects.

He also goes around hugging and high fiveing his players. As in "you gave Burrows $5 million, I'm gonna get at least $125 million from you, come give me a hug you big lug"

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Listening to offers is what GMs of all teams do. PD was not trying to trade Karlsson, if he was, he would be playing on another team.

Both PD and EK65 have publicly stated they want EK65 to stay in Ottawa.

theres listening and then theres advanced negotiations. which is what we were in

 

[Upgrayedd]

The Sens have 2 part time Scouts, both out of the States.

With the rumours of some not getting paid or late payments you may be able to classify the whole department as part time.

Did Eugene appoint himself as a scout yet?

 

[Micklebot]

The Sens have 2 part time Scouts, both out of the States.

wasn't Jimmy Blixt part time? Idk, that's just what I thought,

For what it's worth, I've found the best reference for team staffs to be eliteprospects' team pages, though I'm not sure how up to date they are kept, the layout is nice. I think they still have us at 13 scouts, so perhaps missing a couple?

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

And further more do you have a current reliable source to support your answer and your claim?

So you don't know what the League average is for Amateur Scouts is.

Thanks

 

[BondraTime]

wasn't Jimmy Blixt part time? Idk, that's just what I thought,

For what it's worth, I've found the best reference for team staffs to be eliteprospects' team pages, though I'm not sure how up to date they are kept, the layout is nice. I think they still have us at 13 scouts, so perhaps missing a couple?

Blixt is full time, though he may have been part time when he was working as a GM in the Allsvenskan.

Elite is missing Bobby Strumm, one of our guys out of the WHL, and Dan Boeser, one of our part time guys out of the Midwest and cousin of Brock.

Elite tends to miss and miss-contribute a lot at the lower levels, though it's usually pretty good at the Pro levels.

 

[bert]

So you don't know what the League average is for Amateur Scouts is.

Thanks

It depends if you are full time or not. The sens have a few scouts that should have been promoted to full time by now but Eugene is being Eugene.

As a part timer you make more money the more you travel, paid by Kilometer with a very very very low base salary.

 

[BondraTime]

It depends if you are full time or not. The sens have a few scouts that should have been promoted to full time by now but Eugene is being Eugene.

As a part timer you make more money the more you travel, paid by Kilometer with a very very very low base salary.

He was asking what the league average is for number of scouts by team.

I have no answer to that, but would think that our 15 this year is a bit below average.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Just picked a random team, the Wild

Amateur Scouts = 10

European Scouts = 3

Pro Scouts = 2

 

[Langdon Alger]

With the rumours of some not getting paid or late payments you may be able to classify the whole department as part time.

Did Eugene appoint himself as a scout yet?

Please welcome our new head scout, Eugene Melnyk.

 

[Micklebot]

Just picked a random team, the Wild

Amateur Scouts = 10

European Scouts = 3

Pro Scouts = 2

For what it's worth, in the link I provided, Wild had 14 in 2012, and 15 in 2014 which was right around average both years. Elite prospects currently lists 17 guys working in scouting for the wild.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

theres listening and then theres advanced negotiations. which is what we were in

You and I, or anyone, do not have any idea how any trade talks went (concerning EK65) or how advanced they were. Unless you have a phone recording between PD and another GM, there is no way we know how any trade discussion went.

And don't suggest that Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger know either, because they don't

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

For what it's worth, in the link I provided, Wild had 14 in 2012, and 15 in 2014 which was right around average both years. Elite prospects currently lists 17 guys working in scouting for the wild.

This is where I found their management info.
Staff Directory

 

[Burrowsaurus]

You and I, or anyone, do not have any idea how any trade talks went (concerning EK65) or how advanced they were. Unless you have a phone recording between PD and another GM, there is no way we know how any trade discussion went.

And don't suggest that Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger know either, because they don't

Why are you doing this. Things were going on. Why don’t you want to just admit that.

 

[dumbdick]

Im fine with dorion negotiating for EK or any other player. A GM that considers any of his players untradeable is a bad GM.

 

[TeamRenzo]

Please welcome our new head scout, Eugene Melnyk.

Funny could it may turn out to be true.

 

[Ouroboros]

Blixt is full time, though he may have been part time when he was working as a GM in the Allsvenskan.

Great - so they hired some soccer idiot to be a hockey scout?

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Great - so they hired some soccer idiot to be a hockey scout?

2018 Allsvenskan - Wikipedia

 

[lancepitlick]

Again, how is this measured?? The media had to sell the fans on this hire, so they went out of their way to make him seem like he is the best scout the league has ever seen, backed up by quotes from his golfing buddy.

Is Dorion responsible for the drafting of Jim O'Brien (2007), Jared Cowen (2009), Jacob Culek (2010), Stefan Noesen, Puempel, Curtis Lazar, Cody Ceci....these are all very underwhelming first round draft picks. Sure Karlsson turned out fantastic, but you are stating that he has turned this organization into a drafting super power and that seems to be far from the truth. Our farm system is a joke, if our team was such a drafting super power, we would be beaming with prospects.

Did he hit it big with some late round gems? Absolutely, Mark Stone, Hoffman, Pageau. But really, once you hit the later rounds of the draft, its basically a lottery ticket.

Look at the draft history, while it looks ok, its not nearly as good as you believe.

List of Ottawa Senators draft picks - Wikipedia

There were some good drafts, but many of the useful guys are gone: Lehner, Silverberg, ZBad, even Noesen.

But from 2012-2015 they only picked one decent player and it's Cody Ceci with a high first. Not surprisingly those draft years are guys that should be contributing for cheap on the bottom part of the roster, but becauae there aren't any the team is filling holes with Oduya, Burrows, Pyatt, Claesson, Condon etc.

They also traded a lot of picks, which is unfathomable for a lower budget team. They should be hoarding picks, but every trade is spamming out picks for middle aged expensive players. Makes no sense.

 

[Micklebot]

2018 Allsvenskan - Wikipedia

Maybe when you Googled "the Allsvenskan" because somebody mentioned it in a hockey forum and you weren't sure what it was, rather than clicking on the first hit that popped up and questioning it you should have scrolled down the page till you inevitably would have hit a link to the hockey league, or a reference to Dahlen opting to remain in Timra. Google can't read your mind, you need to put some effort into the process of finding the information you're looking for.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Please welcome our new head scout, Eugene Melnyk.

Maybe old Eugene can fire on the skates and hit the ice for some practice sessions with the team, show these young guys what's up!

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Maybe when you Googled "the Allsvenskan" because somebody mentioned it in a hockey forum and you weren't sure what it was, rather than clicking on the first hit that popped up and questioning it you should have scrolled down the page till you inevitably would have hit a link to the hockey league, or a reference to Dahlen opting to remain in Timra. Google can't read your mind, you need to put some effort into the process of finding the information you're looking for.

I've explained this before, and if you want to continue to pile on, please do.

I never heard of the "the Allsvenskan" until someone mentioned that was where Dahlen was playing.

When I've checked Hockey DB they list the league he plays in as the " Swe-1", which I understood to mean Tier 1............... so I when I did a search on "the Allsvenskan"

"the Allsvenskan" at DuckDuckGo

The top five "hits" were about football or Rugby............ so I asked for some clarification.

Now I understand that because I'm not on board with the "all Hate Melnyk, all the time" mindset that some people are, that you have no choice but to hit back at me at every opportunity, I guess in the thinking that'll I'll come over to that side .......... so continue with your mission if you must.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Im sure it would violate some "internet rules" but I would love to see a pro or con Melnyk poll run, would be interesting to see the results.

 

[Fandlauer]

Im sure it would violate some "internet rules" but I would love to see a pro or con Melnyk poll run, would be interesting to see the results.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/is-eugene-melnyk-a-good-owner.2423237/

 

[Upgrayedd]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/is-eugene-melnyk-a-good-owner.2423237/

Bean saving the day again! Thank you...so 85.5% of the 138 votes tabbed him as Poor to Awful.