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2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs Season Discussion - 49-26-7 105 pts
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Quiet possible - may be he is just trying to send a message to this line
Warden of the North
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OK......so people say our defense isnt good enough.
Well what exactly constitutes a good defense? Our team makes it a regular event to embarrass the opposing teams D corps. I have not seen a team yet this season that looks significantly better on D then ours.
Well what exactly constitutes a good defense? Our team makes it a regular event to embarrass the opposing teams D corps. I have not seen a team yet this season that looks significantly better on D then ours.
zeke
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Here's how the (my) leafs stats look so far.
Remember that it's still too early to mean too much. And the insanity that is our first line so far is kinda screwing with all the team-relative stats.
What I'm looking at mostly here is usage - we can see that despite starting the season with almost fully even line-rolling, babcock is already starting to stratify playing time based on performance.
Legend:
Letter Grades = Quality of Competition measured by opponents' time on ice, Converted into Letter Grades for simplicity
p60 = points per 60 minutes
xGF% = Expected Goals For Percentage (i.e. shot attempt percentage adjusted for shot quality) - this stat is already adjusted for zone deployment and game score
rel = xgf% relative to team - also already adjusted for zone and score
Matthews (20): 7gms, ES 14:55 (A+), 4.42p60, 65.7xgf% (+12.7rel) / PP 2:48, 6.12p60 / SH 0:03
Nylander (21): 7gms, ES 14:43 (A+), 2.51p60, 61.2xgf% (+5.7rel) / PP 2:40, 6.42p60 / SH 0:00
Hyman (25): 7gms, ES 13:23 (A+), 2.83p60, 66.0xgf% (+12.5rel) / PP 0:15, 0.00p60 / SH 3:31
This is really insane. They're getting the toughest competition possible, but dominating more than any other line in hockey. I don't really know what to say here - Matthews and Willy are craycray, and I have to eat crow on Hyman because when a line does this well he has to be a big part of it. And Hyman is racking up the points too.
As far as usage goes, we're finally seeing them start to get legit 1st line minutes at even strength, more than they started the year with.
Kadri (27): 7gms, ES 13:15 (A), 2.80p60, 54.0xgf% (-5.6rel) / PP 2:59, 8.58p60 / SH 0:01
Marleau (38): 7gms, ES 13:08 (A), 2.11p60, 54.7xgf% (-4.8rel) / PP 2:45, 6.22p60 / SH 0:55
Komarov (31): 7gms, ES 11:39 (A), 0.00p60, 58.0xgf% (-0.9rel) / PP 0:37, 27.27p60 / SH 3:13
The 2nd line is also getting very tough usage, and are doing damn well in it...but the insane 1st line is making those relative numbers look bad.
Their minutes are starting to increase as well, like the top line's.
Bozak (31): 7gms, ES 11:32 (C), 1.59p60, 52.7xgf% (-7.3rel) / PP 3:04, 8.38p60 / SH 0:02
VanRyk (28): 7gms, ES 11:06 (C), 2.48p60, 60.4xgf% (+2.7rel) / PP 3:06, 11.02p60 / SH 0:01
Marner (20): 7gms, ES 11:27 (D+), 0.80p60, 54.9xgf% (-4.1rel) / PP 3:12, 5.34p60 / SH 0:18
Brown (23): 7gms, ES 8:54 (C-), 4.17p60, 57.0xgf% (-1.5rel) / PP 1:59, 0.00p60 / SH 3:25
The 3rd line as we can see has had their usage plummet, both in time on ice and quality of competition. To JVR's credit, he's taking advantage of the easy ice time and really playing well. But Bozak and Marner have been disastrous, while Brown has been a clear upgrade over Marner.
But really, F Bozak.
Moore (37): 3gms, ES 9:17 (D), 4.48p60, 50.3xgf% (-13.0rel) / PP 0:13, 0.00p60 / SH 2:35
Fehr (32): 4gms, ES 7:10 (F), 0.00p60, 54.2xgf% (+0.1rel) / PP 0:03, 0.00p60 / SH 3:42
Martin (28): 7gms, ES 7:52 (F), 1.18p60, 40.6xgf% (-20.4rel) / PP 0:03, 0.00p60 / SH 0:00
And now we see the other benefit of Babs playing the best lines more - the scrubs get the least and easiest minutes possible. Even then, of course, Martin really really sucks.
Zaitsev (26): 7gms, ES 17:30 (A), 2.68p60, 63.9xgf% (+8.7rel) / PP 0:10, 0.00p60 / SH 5:18
Gardiner (27): 7gms, ES 17:56 (A), 1.03p60, 60.1xgf% (+2.8rel) / PP 2:54, 2.95p60 / SH 0:40
Rielly (23): 7gms, ES 16:18 (A), 1.15p60, 55.3xgf%, (-4.5rel) / PP 2:55, 11.75p60 / SH 1:46
Hainsey (36): 7gms, ES 15:44 (A), 2.44p60, 58.0xgf% (-0.1rel) / PP 0:06, 0.00p60 / SH 6:02
The top-4 is really rounding into form. All of them are playing comparable top competition, though the Jake/zaits pair is getting more minutes, which is partly due to mo/ron getting more special teams minutes, but also due to them playing really, really well. Rielly/Hainsey have been good too but not as good.
Carrick (23): 5gms, ES 13:54 (D-), 0.92p60, 59.4xgf% (+5.5rel) / PP 0:05, 0.00p60 / SH 0:03
Borgman (22): 5gms, ES 13:24 (F), 0.95p60, 53.7xgf% (-2.7rel) / PP 0:03, 0.00p60 / SH 1:16
Rosen (23): 4gms, ES 12:21 (D+), 1.22p60, 47.1xgf% (-21.4rel) / PP 0:25, 0.00p60 / SH 0:00
And finally we are using a 3rd pair like a 3rd pair should be used. Tiny minutes, and buttersoft competition. Carrick has thrived in this usage, while the 2 rooks have been up and down.
Andersen (28): 6gms, .899sv%, +0.0gsaa / ES .898es%, -1.2gsaa / PK .884sv%, +0.1gsaa
McElhinney (34): 1gms, .909sv%, -0.2gsaa / ES .906es%, -0.4gsaa / PK 1.000sv%, +0.2gsaa
pick it up, freddy.
Looking over all those numbers, the one change I might be interested in seeing is JVR swap with Leo. That would really turn the Kadri line into a dominant offensive line, while giving some balls to the 3rd line.
Remember that it's still too early to mean too much. And the insanity that is our first line so far is kinda screwing with all the team-relative stats.
What I'm looking at mostly here is usage - we can see that despite starting the season with almost fully even line-rolling, babcock is already starting to stratify playing time based on performance.
Legend:
Letter Grades = Quality of Competition measured by opponents' time on ice, Converted into Letter Grades for simplicity
p60 = points per 60 minutes
xGF% = Expected Goals For Percentage (i.e. shot attempt percentage adjusted for shot quality) - this stat is already adjusted for zone deployment and game score
rel = xgf% relative to team - also already adjusted for zone and score
Matthews (20): 7gms, ES 14:55 (A+), 4.42p60, 65.7xgf% (+12.7rel) / PP 2:48, 6.12p60 / SH 0:03
Nylander (21): 7gms, ES 14:43 (A+), 2.51p60, 61.2xgf% (+5.7rel) / PP 2:40, 6.42p60 / SH 0:00
Hyman (25): 7gms, ES 13:23 (A+), 2.83p60, 66.0xgf% (+12.5rel) / PP 0:15, 0.00p60 / SH 3:31
This is really insane. They're getting the toughest competition possible, but dominating more than any other line in hockey. I don't really know what to say here - Matthews and Willy are craycray, and I have to eat crow on Hyman because when a line does this well he has to be a big part of it. And Hyman is racking up the points too.
As far as usage goes, we're finally seeing them start to get legit 1st line minutes at even strength, more than they started the year with.
Kadri (27): 7gms, ES 13:15 (A), 2.80p60, 54.0xgf% (-5.6rel) / PP 2:59, 8.58p60 / SH 0:01
Marleau (38): 7gms, ES 13:08 (A), 2.11p60, 54.7xgf% (-4.8rel) / PP 2:45, 6.22p60 / SH 0:55
Komarov (31): 7gms, ES 11:39 (A), 0.00p60, 58.0xgf% (-0.9rel) / PP 0:37, 27.27p60 / SH 3:13
The 2nd line is also getting very tough usage, and are doing damn well in it...but the insane 1st line is making those relative numbers look bad.
Their minutes are starting to increase as well, like the top line's.
Bozak (31): 7gms, ES 11:32 (C), 1.59p60, 52.7xgf% (-7.3rel) / PP 3:04, 8.38p60 / SH 0:02
VanRyk (28): 7gms, ES 11:06 (C), 2.48p60, 60.4xgf% (+2.7rel) / PP 3:06, 11.02p60 / SH 0:01
Marner (20): 7gms, ES 11:27 (D+), 0.80p60, 54.9xgf% (-4.1rel) / PP 3:12, 5.34p60 / SH 0:18
Brown (23): 7gms, ES 8:54 (C-), 4.17p60, 57.0xgf% (-1.5rel) / PP 1:59, 0.00p60 / SH 3:25
The 3rd line as we can see has had their usage plummet, both in time on ice and quality of competition. To JVR's credit, he's taking advantage of the easy ice time and really playing well. But Bozak and Marner have been disastrous, while Brown has been a clear upgrade over Marner.
But really, F Bozak.
Moore (37): 3gms, ES 9:17 (D), 4.48p60, 50.3xgf% (-13.0rel) / PP 0:13, 0.00p60 / SH 2:35
Fehr (32): 4gms, ES 7:10 (F), 0.00p60, 54.2xgf% (+0.1rel) / PP 0:03, 0.00p60 / SH 3:42
Martin (28): 7gms, ES 7:52 (F), 1.18p60, 40.6xgf% (-20.4rel) / PP 0:03, 0.00p60 / SH 0:00
And now we see the other benefit of Babs playing the best lines more - the scrubs get the least and easiest minutes possible. Even then, of course, Martin really really sucks.
Zaitsev (26): 7gms, ES 17:30 (A), 2.68p60, 63.9xgf% (+8.7rel) / PP 0:10, 0.00p60 / SH 5:18
Gardiner (27): 7gms, ES 17:56 (A), 1.03p60, 60.1xgf% (+2.8rel) / PP 2:54, 2.95p60 / SH 0:40
Rielly (23): 7gms, ES 16:18 (A), 1.15p60, 55.3xgf%, (-4.5rel) / PP 2:55, 11.75p60 / SH 1:46
Hainsey (36): 7gms, ES 15:44 (A), 2.44p60, 58.0xgf% (-0.1rel) / PP 0:06, 0.00p60 / SH 6:02
The top-4 is really rounding into form. All of them are playing comparable top competition, though the Jake/zaits pair is getting more minutes, which is partly due to mo/ron getting more special teams minutes, but also due to them playing really, really well. Rielly/Hainsey have been good too but not as good.
Carrick (23): 5gms, ES 13:54 (D-), 0.92p60, 59.4xgf% (+5.5rel) / PP 0:05, 0.00p60 / SH 0:03
Borgman (22): 5gms, ES 13:24 (F), 0.95p60, 53.7xgf% (-2.7rel) / PP 0:03, 0.00p60 / SH 1:16
Rosen (23): 4gms, ES 12:21 (D+), 1.22p60, 47.1xgf% (-21.4rel) / PP 0:25, 0.00p60 / SH 0:00
And finally we are using a 3rd pair like a 3rd pair should be used. Tiny minutes, and buttersoft competition. Carrick has thrived in this usage, while the 2 rooks have been up and down.
Andersen (28): 6gms, .899sv%, +0.0gsaa / ES .898es%, -1.2gsaa / PK .884sv%, +0.1gsaa
McElhinney (34): 1gms, .909sv%, -0.2gsaa / ES .906es%, -0.4gsaa / PK 1.000sv%, +0.2gsaa
pick it up, freddy.
Looking over all those numbers, the one change I might be interested in seeing is JVR swap with Leo. That would really turn the Kadri line into a dominant offensive line, while giving some balls to the 3rd line.
Daisy Jane
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zeke
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This Year Plus Last Year, Top PPG Centers
1.Stamkos: 24gms, 1.33
2.McDavid: 87gms, 1.22
3.Crosby: 82gms, 1.20
4.Malkin: 69gms, 1.16
5.Backstrom: 89gms, 1.09
6.Scheifele: 85gms, 1.04
7.Getzlaf: 76gms, 0.99
8.Eichel: 68gms, 0.97
9.Matthews: 89gms, 0.89
10.Seguin: 88gms, 0.88
11.Zetterberg: 89gms, 0.85
12.Barkov: 66gms, 0.83
13.Tavares: 83gms, 0.83
14.Toews: 79gms, 0.81
15.Staal: 86gms, 0.80
16.Kuznetsov: 89gms, 0.79
17.Little: 65gms, 0.78
18.Carter: 88gms, 0.78
19.Kadri: 89gms, 0.78
20.Giroux: 88gms, 0.76
21.Wennberg: 86gms, 0.76
22.O'Reilly: 79gms, 0.75
23.Johansen: 88gms, 0.74
24.Turris: 84gms, 0.74
25.Kopitar: 82gms, 0.73
26.Couture: 78gms, 0.73
27.Monahan: 88gs, 0.73
28.Koivu: 84gms, 0.73
29.Drouin: 80gms, 0.72
30.Spezza: 74gms, 0.72
31.Bozak: 85gms, 0.71
31.Schenn: 86gms, 0.71
31.Kesler: 82gms, 0.71
1.Stamkos: 24gms, 1.33
2.McDavid: 87gms, 1.22
3.Crosby: 82gms, 1.20
4.Malkin: 69gms, 1.16
5.Backstrom: 89gms, 1.09
6.Scheifele: 85gms, 1.04
7.Getzlaf: 76gms, 0.99
8.Eichel: 68gms, 0.97
9.Matthews: 89gms, 0.89
10.Seguin: 88gms, 0.88
11.Zetterberg: 89gms, 0.85
12.Barkov: 66gms, 0.83
13.Tavares: 83gms, 0.83
14.Toews: 79gms, 0.81
15.Staal: 86gms, 0.80
16.Kuznetsov: 89gms, 0.79
17.Little: 65gms, 0.78
18.Carter: 88gms, 0.78
19.Kadri: 89gms, 0.78
20.Giroux: 88gms, 0.76
21.Wennberg: 86gms, 0.76
22.O'Reilly: 79gms, 0.75
23.Johansen: 88gms, 0.74
24.Turris: 84gms, 0.74
25.Kopitar: 82gms, 0.73
26.Couture: 78gms, 0.73
27.Monahan: 88gs, 0.73
28.Koivu: 84gms, 0.73
29.Drouin: 80gms, 0.72
30.Spezza: 74gms, 0.72
31.Bozak: 85gms, 0.71
31.Schenn: 86gms, 0.71
31.Kesler: 82gms, 0.71
Daisy Jane
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i dunno really. i mean for me when i talk defense, i usually mean the 5 man unit.
and i'll admit - i want a sexy established name back there.
Warden of the North
Ned Stark's head
Carter will be out for both our games vs the Kings this year. As an aside im happy to get the west coast trip over early, especially with this good start weve had.
Rask is also out with a concussion so that bodes well for the divisional race.
Rask is also out with a concussion so that bodes well for the divisional race.
they're getting back vatanen soon and lindholm even sooner, so they won't be as decimated as they are right now
Vatanen isn't back to full practice yet and Kessler is out for the foreseeable future
The sooner we do the California trip the better with the Ducks and Kings undermanned right now
Daisy Jane
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we always play well vs. LA/Duckies (even if we lose).
it's the SHARKS that hand us our bottoms.
There not what they used to be Daisy, the Cali trip used to be a some tough sledding but I'm looking forward to it this season
Daisy Jane
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Bomber0104
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Knowing how the game changes over the course of a season, you start seeing the value of having a strong, intelligent d-corps more towards the end of the year and into the playoffs.
Forwards won't be able to do the things they do now after 82 games are played...
How would you rate Kadri as a 2nd line "C" league wise (stats wise) - I know, he is pretty good
DanM
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I know it's early in the season, but part of me is really worried that one of Buffalo, Montreal, Winnipeg, or Edmonton (if they snowballed somehow) get to draft Dahlin, I will quit the boards if this happens. I was thinking about it today watching Dahlins last game, but who also knows what he will become.
CanadasTeam
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wut? Even if Martin plays extra poor, his spot is not for Leivo to take... unless Martin gets injured smh
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