THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

The Roy Of Ottawa · Oct 4, 2017

The Roy Of Ottawa · Oct 4, 2017

THE TOP 70 FORMER NHL PLAYERS WHO SHOULD BE IN THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

01. Martin Brodeur
02. Jaromir Jagr
03. Jarome Iginla
04. Keith Tkachuk
05. Pat Verbeek
06. Pierre Turgeon
07. Jeremy Roenick
08. Peter Bondra
09. Curtis Joseph
10. Chris Osgood

11. Mike Vernon
12. Tom Barrasso
13. Mike Richter
14. Rod Brind'Amour
15. Vincent Damphousse
16. Alexander Mogilny
17. Bernie Nicholls
18. Brian Bellows
19. Steve Larmer
20. John LeClair

21. Tony Amonte
22. Rick Tocchet
23. Andy Moog
24. Kevin Lowe
25. Charlie Huddy
26. Esa Tikkanen
27. Craig MacTavish
28. Ken Daneyko
29. Claude Lemieux
30. Dale Hunter

31. Ray Ferraro
32. Guy Carbonneau
33. Stephane Richer
34. Steve Thomas
35. Doug Weight
36. Doug Wilson
37. Gary Roberts
38. Dave Taylor
39. Brian Propp
40. Brent Sutter

41. Duane Sutter
42. Bob Nystrom
43. John Vanbiesbrouck
44. Ron Hextall
45. Sean Burke
46. Dirk Graham
47. Bobby Smith
48. Bobby Carpenter
49. Gary Suter
50. Trevor Linden

51. Felix Potvin
52. Olaf Kolzig
53. Mike Liut
54. Don Beaupre
55. Dave Babych
56. Mike Foligno
57. Tim Kerr
58. Brad Marsh
59. Glen Wesley
60. Rick Vaive

61. Kevin Dineen
62. Kelly Hrudey
63. Randy Carlyle
64. Claude Provost
65. Jean-Guy Talbot
66. Larry Hillman
67. Ralph Backstrom
68. Lorne Chabot
69. John Ross Roach
70. Dave Kerr

71. Daniel Alfredsson
72. Theoren Fleury
73. Adam Graves
74. Doug Jarvis
75. Gary Unger

The Roy Of Ottawa · Oct 4, 2017

WOMEN IN THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

01. 2010: Cammi Granato
02. 2010: Angela James
03. 2013: Geraldine Heaney
04. 2015: Angela Ruggiero
05. 2017: Danielle Goyette

Retired 500+ Goal Scorers Not In The Hockey Hall Of Fame Yet

01. Keith Tkachuk (538)
02. Pat Verbeek (522)
03. Pierre Turgeon (515)
04. Jeremy Roenick (513)
05. Peter Bondra (503)

ACTIVE 500+ GOAL SCORERS

01. Jaromir Jagr (766)
02. Jarome Iginla (625)
03. Alexander Ovechkin (607)
04. Patrick Marleau (535)
05. Marian Hossa (525)

STILL NEED TO BE INDUCTED INTO THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

John Ross Roach - 58 Shutouts - 1 Stanley Cup - DEAD
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- John Ross Roach

Lorne Chabot - 71 Shutouts - 2 Stanley Cups - DEAD
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Lorne Chabot

Dave Kerr - 51 Shutouts - 1 Stanley Cup - DEAD
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Dave Kerr

NOT IN THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME YET

01. Claude Provost (Montreal Canadiens): 9 Stanley Cup Rings - DEAD
02. Jean-Guy Talbot (Montreal Canadiens): 7 Stanley Cup Rings - ALIVE - 84 years old
03. Larry Hillman (Detroit Red Wings, Toronto Maple Leafs, Montreal Canadiens): 6 Stanley Cup Rings - ALIVE - 80 years old
04. Ralph Backstrom (Montreal Canadiens): 6 Stanley Cup Rings - ALIVE - 79 years old
05. Kevin Lowe (Edmonton Oilers; New York Rangers): 6 Stanley Cup Rings - ALIVE - 58 years old

STANLEY CUPS AND SHUTOUTS
PLAYERS WHO SHOULD BE IN
THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

01. Claude Provost (9 Stanley Cup Rings) DEAD
02. Jean-Guy Talbot (7 Stanley Cup Rings) ALIVE - 85
03. Larry Hillman (6 Stanley Cup Rings) ALIVE - 81
04. Ralph Backstrom (6 Stanley Cup Rings) ALIVE - 80
05. Kevin Lowe (6 Stanley Cup Rings) ALIVE - 59
06. Lorne Chabot (71 Shutouts) DEAD
07. John Ross Roach (58 Shutouts) DEAD
08. Dave Kerr (51 Shutouts) DEAD

36 Goaltenders in the Hockey Hall of Fame
Goaltenders in the Hockey Hall of Fame

1945: Chuck Gardiner
1945: Georges Vezina
1958: Alex Connell
1958: Frederick Hugh Lehman
1958: Paddy Moran
1959: Cecil "Tiny" Thompson
1961: George Hainsworth
1961: Percy LeSueur
1963: Riley Hern
1963: Bouse Hutton
1964: William Ronald Durnan
1965: Clint Benedict
1966: Francis Charles Brimsek
1967: Turk Broda
1969: Roy Worters
1971: Terry Sawchuk
1972: Hap Holmes
1973: Chuck Rayner
1975: Glenn Hall
1976: John William Bower
1978: Joseph Jacques Plante
1980: Harry Lumley
1980: Gump Worsley
1982: Emile Francis (Builders Category)
1983: Ken Dryden
1984: Bernie Parent
1985: Gerry Cheevers
1987: Eddie Giacomin
1988: Tony Esposito
1989: Vladislav Tretiak
1993: Billy Smith
2003: Grant Fuhr
2006: Patrick Roy
2011: Ed Belfour
2014: Dominik Hasek
2016: Rogie Vachon

GOALTENDERS WITH LOSING NHL RECORDS INDUCTED INTO THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

01. 1945: Chuck Gardiner (NHL - Regular Season: 316-112-152-52-42 - Playoffs: 21-12-6-3-5) 1 Stanley Cup
02. 1958: Frederick Hugh Lehman (NHL - Regular Season: 48-20-24-4-6 - Playoffs: 2-0-1-1-0)
03. 1969: Roy Worters (NHL - Regular Season: 484-171-229-83-67 - Playoffs: 11-3-6-2-3)
04. 1980: Gump Worsley (NHL - Regular Season: 861-335-352-150-43 - Playoffs: 70-40-26-5) 4 Stanley Cups
05. 1982: Emile Francis (NHL - Regular Season 95-31-52-11 - Playoffs - No record)

WHO IS NEXT?

Sean Burke: (NHL Regular Season: 820-324-341-110-38 - Playoffs: 38-12-23-1)

Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Sean Burke

Only 5 times in Hockey Hall of Fame history have they inducted more than one goaltender in the same year. The last time was in 1980. 3 were inducted in 1958.

1945: Chuck Gardiner
1945: Georges Vezina
1958: Alex Connell
1958: Frederick Hugh Lehman
1958: Paddy Moran
1961: George Hainsworth
1961: Percy LeSueur
1963: Riley Hern
1963: Bouse Hutton
1980: Harry Lumley
1980: Gump Worsley

PLAYERS INDUCTED INTO THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME AND
THE UNITED STATES HOCKEY HALL OF FAME IN THE SAME YEAR

01. 2003: Pat Lafontaine
02. 2015: Angela Ruggiero

The Roy Of Ottawa · Oct 4, 2017

18 Goaltenders Contending for the Hockey Hall of Fame (80s-90s-2000s Players)

http://www.hhof.com/htmlInduct/ind17prolog_firstYearEligibility.shtml

01. Martin Brodeur
02. Curtis Joseph
03. Chris Osgood
04. Mike Vernon
05. Tom Barrasso
06. Mike Richter
07. Andy Moog
08. John Vanbiesbrouck
09. Ron Hextall
10. Sean Burke
11. Felix Potvin
12. Olaf Kolzig
13. Mike Liut
14. Don Beaupre
15. Kelly Hrudey
16. Jean-Sebastien Giguere
17. Nikolai Khabibulin
18. Tomas Vokoun

The Roy Of Ottawa · Oct 4, 2017

THE NEW YORK ISLANDERS (1972-1991) RETIRED NUMBERS

01. 1992: (#5) Denis Potvin
02. 1992: (#22) Mike Bossy
03. 1993: (#31) Billy Smith
04. 1995: (#23) Bob Nystrom
05. 1996: (#9) Clark Gillies
06. 2001: (#19) Bryan Trottier

WHO'S NEXT?

01. (#21) Brent Sutter
02. (#12) Duane Sutter
03. (#16) Pat LaFontaine

THE NEW YORK ISLANDERS (1972-1991) HOCKEY HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

01. 1991: Mike Bossy
02. 1991: Denis Potvin
03. 1993: Billy Smith
04. 1995: Bill Torrey
05. 1996: Al Arbour
06. 1997: Bryan Trottier
07. 2002: Clark Gillies
08. 2003: Pat LaFontaine

WHO'S NEXT?

01. Bob Nystrom
02. Brent Sutter
03. Duane Sutter

THE EDMONTON OILERS (1979-1990) HOCKEY HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES AND RETIRED NUMBERS

01. 1997: Glen Sather
02. 1999: (#99) Wayne Gretzky
03. 2001: (#17) Jari Kurri
04. 2003: (#31) Grant Fuhr
05. 2004: (#7) Paul Coffey
06. 2007: (#11) Mark Messier
07. 2008: (#9) Glenn Anderson

WHO'S NEXT?

01. (#35) Andy Moog
02. (#4) Kevin Lowe
03. (#22) Charlie Huddy
04. (#10) Esa Tikkanen
05. (#14) Craig MacTavish

And that's where it can stop with 1980s Edmonton Oilers players having their numbers retired and being inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame. The rest of the players from the team don't have the stats to warrant retired numbers and induction. People tend to forget that it was Andy Moog and not Grant Fuhr who was in nets for the Edmonton Oilers first Stanley Cup win.

Andy Moog (3 Stanley Cup Rings with Edmonton Oilers; 372 Wins; 28 Shutouts; The William M. Jennings Trophy 1990; NHL All-Star 1985, 1986, 1991, 1997)
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Andy Moog

Kevin Lowe (6 Stanley Cup Rings: 5 Edmonton Oilers; 1 New York Rangers; 1254 Games Played; The King Clancy Memorial Trophy 1990; NHL All-Star 1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993)
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Kevin Lowe

Charlie Huddy (5 Stanley Cup Rings with Edmonton Oilers; 1017 Games Played; Holds NHL Record For All-Time Playoff Plus/Minus with +98)
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Charlie Huddy

Esa Tikkanen (4 Stanley Cup Rings: 3 Edmonton Oilers; 1 New York Rangers)
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Esa Tikkanen

Craig MacTavish (4 Stanley Cup Rings: 3 Edmonton Oilers; 1 New York Rangers; NHL All-Star 1996; 1093 Games Played)
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Craig MacTavish

INDUCT BRYAN MURRAY INTO THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

REGULAR SEASON GAMES COACHED: 1239
REGULAR SEASON GAMES WON: 620
REGULAR SEASON GAMES LOST: 465
REGULAR SEASON GAMES TIED: 131
REGULAR SEASON OVERTIME LOSSES: 23
PLAYOFFS GAMES COACHED: 112
PLAYOFFS GAMES WON: 52
PLAYOFFS GAMES LOST: 60
THE JACK ADAMS AWARD FOR COACH OF THE YEAR IN 1984

Classic 80s-90s Washington Capitals

Bryan Murray, Dale Hunter, Peter Bondra, Olaf Kolzig, Bobby Carpenter, Mike Liut, Don Beaupre should all be inducted into the Hockey Hall Of Fame

The Washington Capitals need to retire Peter Bondra's jersey - # 12, and Olaf Kolzig's jersey # 37

Dale Hunter
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Dale Hunter

Peter Bondra
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Peter Bondra

Olaf Kolzig
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Olie Kolzig

Bobby Carpenter
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Bob Carpenter

Mike Liut
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Mike Liut

Don Beaupre
Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Don Beaupre

CLASSIC 80s-90s WASHINGTON CAPITALS TEAM IN BOLD

THE WASHINGTON CAPITALS IN THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

01. 2001: Mike Gartner
02. 2002: Rod Langway
03. 2004: Larry Murphy
04. 2007: Scott Stevens
05. 2010: Dino Ciccarelli
06. 2012: Adam Oates
07. 2015: Phil Housley
08. 2015: Sergei Fedorov

THE WASHINGTON CAPITALS IN THE U.S. HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

01. 1999: Rod Langway
02. 2001: Dave Christian
03. 2004: Phil Housley
04. 2007: Bobby Carpenter
05. 2010: Kevin Hatcher
06. 2017: Ron Wilson

THE WASHINGTON CAPITALS RETIRED NUMBERS

01. 1980: (#7) Yvon Labre
02. 1997: (#5) Rod Langway
03. 2000: (#32) Dale Hunter
04. 2008: (#11) Mike Gartner

The Roy Of Ottawa · Oct 4, 2017

PRESIDENTS OF THE NATIONAL HOCKEY ASSOCIATION

01. M. Doheney (1909-1910: 1 year)
02. Emmett Quinn (1910-1916: 6 years) Canadian
03. Frank Robinson (1916-1917: 1 year)
04. Frank Calder (1917) British

PRESIDENTS OF THE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE

01. Frank Calder (1917-1943: 26 years) British
02. Red Dutton (1943-1946: 3 years) Canadian
03. Clarence Campbell (1946-1977: 31 years) Canadian
04. John Ziegler (1977-1992: 15 years) American
05. Gil Stein (1992-1993: 1 year) American

COMMISSIONERS OF THE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE

01. Gary Bettman (1993-Present: 25 years) American

THE LONGEST STANLEY CUP DROUGHTS

01. Ottawa Senators (91 Years Since Their Last Stanley Cup Win)
02. Toronto Maple Leafs (51 Years Since Their Last Stanley Cup Win)
03. Philadelphia Flyers (43 Years Since Their Last Stanley Cup Win)
04. New York Islanders (35 Years Since Their Last Stanley Cup Win)
05. Calgary Flames (29 Years Since Their Last Stanley Cup Win)
06. Edmonton Oilers (28 Years Since Their Last Stanley Cup Win)
07. Montreal Canadiens (25 Years Since Their Last Stanley Cup Win)
08. New York Rangers (24 Years Since Their Last Stanley Cup Win)

THE OLDEST NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE FRANCHISES WHO STILL HAVE NOT WON THE STANLEY CUP

01. St. Louis Blues (1967-Present: 51 years)
02. Buffalo Sabres (1970-Present: 48 years)
03. Vancouver Canucks (1970-Present: 48 years)
04. Washington Capitals (1974-Present: 44 years)
05. Winnipeg Jets (1979-Present: 39 years)

NHL HEAD COACHES WITH LOSING NHL RECORDS
INDUCTED INTO THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME

01. 1980: Lynn Patrick (NHL: 443-165-196-82 - Inducted in the player category)
02. 1986: Leo Boivin (NHL: 97-28-53-16 - Inducted in the player category)
03. 1992: Keith Allen (NHL: 150-51-67-33)
04. 1999: Wayne Gretzky (NHL: 328-143-161-24 - Inducted in the player category)
05. 2001: Craig Patrick (NHL: 169-66-81-22)
06. 2006: Herb Brooks (NHL: 507-219-222-66)

The Roy Of Ottawa · Oct 4, 2017

FORMER NHL PLAYERS WITH THE MOST STANLEY CUP RINGS (6 OR MORE) AND THEIR HOCKEY HALL OF FAME STATUSES

11 STANLEY CUP RINGS

01. Henri Richard (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1979

10 STANLEY CUP RINGS

01. Jean Beliveau (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1972
02. Yvan Cournoyer (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1982

9 STANLEY CUP RINGS

01. Claude Provost (Montreal Canadiens):

8 STANLEY CUP RINGS

01. Maurice Richard (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1961
02. Red Kelly (Detroit Red Wings; Toronto Maple Leafs): Inducted in 1969
03. Jacques Lemaire (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1984

7 STANLEY CUP RINGS

01. Jean-Guy Talbot (Montreal Canadiens):
02. Serge Savard (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1986

6 STANLEY CUP RINGS

01. Jack Marshall (Winnipeg Victorias; Montreal AAA; Montreal Wanderers; Toronto Blueshirts): Inducted in 1965
02. Bernie Geoffrion (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1972
03. Doug Harvey (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1973
04. Tom Johnson (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1970
05. Dickie Moore (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1974
06. Jacques Plante (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1978
07. Larry Hillman (Detroit Red Wings, Toronto Maple Leafs, Montreal Canadiens):
08. Ralph Backstrom (Montreal Canadiens):
09. Jacques Lapperriere (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1987
10. Dick Duff (Toronto Maple Leafs; Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 2006
11. Frank Mahovlich (Toronto Maple Leafs; Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1981
12. Ken Dryden (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1983
13. Guy Lapointe (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1993
14. Larry Robinson (Montreal Canadiens): Inducted in 1995
15. Bryan Trottier (New York Islanders; Pittsburgh Penguins): Inducted in 1997
16. Glenn Anderson (Edmonton Oilers; New York Rangers): Inducted in 2008
17. Kevin Lowe (Edmonton Oilers; New York Rangers):
18. Mark Messier (Edmonton Oilers; New York Rangers): Inducted in 2007

tarheelhockey · Oct 4, 2017

With the exception of a few resources found in the sticky section of the forum, new threads need to be more than just an info dump. Please post a basis for conversation, or at least a rationale as to why this information is being posted here.

The Roy Of Ottawa · Oct 4, 2017

Why it's being posted?:

#1 : Let me know if you agree with my ordering of my top 65 players who should be in the Hockey Hall Of Fame

#2 : Let me know if you agree with my lists of 80s-90s Edmonton Oilers, New York Islanders and Washington Capitals players who I think should be inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame

#3: Is it too late for Dave Kerr, John Ross Roach and Lorne Chabot to be inducted into the Hockey Hall Of Fame? Are there still enough older veterans to vote to get them in?

Discuss

GlitchMarner · Oct 4, 2017

No offense, but there is absolutely no way in hell some of the players you included on your list of 65 should ever be inducted.

Why are guys like Ray Ferraro and Rick Vaive on the list?

Why is Pat Verbeek third? That's baffling to me.

How come I'm seeing like Bobby Carpenter, Bobby Smith, Linden, Weight, Graham etc but not names like Ziggy Palffy, Daniel Alfredsson, Patrik Elias, Ilya Kovalchuk, Vincent Lecavalier, Rick Middleton, Theo Fleury, Brad Richards etc?

GlitchMarner · Oct 4, 2017

Gillies was an atrocious inductee. I don't any more Gillies-level players in the Hall!

The Roy Of Ottawa · Oct 4, 2017

I am biased towards players from the 80s. They make up 90% of my list. Pat Verbek is a 500+ goal-scorer.

GlitchMarner · Oct 4, 2017

Retired players whom I think will get in (besides very obvious future inductees like Brodeur and St. Louis):

Patrik Elias
Daniel Alfredsson
Jeremy Roenick
Pierre Turgeon
Marian Hossa

Players who may make it in:

Theo Fleury
Rick Middleton (that ship may have sailed, however)
Alex Mogilny
Keith Tkachuk
Bernie Nicholls

Personally, I don't know if I'd induct Tkachuk, but he may get in anyway.

Retired players who have stronger cases for induction than most but that may not make the cut:

Rod Brind'Amour
Vincent Damphousse
Steve Larmer
Brian Propp
Saku Koivu
Peter Bondra (500 goals)
Ilya Kovalchuk
John LeClair
Vincent Lecavalier
Brad Richards

I don't know if I'd induct from this group, but I wouldn't lose sleep if any player from the group was inducted. Brad Richards is one of my all-time favorites, but I think he misses the cut based on a lack of meaningful longevity. I've posted in the past that the 2004-2005 lockout cost him what would have been a strong season. If he had played that season and started his career earlier and hadn't been impacted by the 2013 lockout, he would have scored well over 1000 points and would be a HHOF'er in my opinion.

Damphousse had a long, strong career but didn't finish in the top ten for points even once in a season. That's not the ONLY thing I look at, but I don't know if forwards who didn't crack the top ten for points even once should get in unless they were Selke-level forwards.

Rod Brind'Amour, in my opinion, is a step above Damphousse since he did win two Selkes and he scored almost as many career points.

Lecavalier had the talent and a very high peak but lacked the consistency in my opinion.

Hall of Very Good Players:

Markus Naslund (very high peak, but he didn't have enough high-end seasons to truly be HHOF-worthy)
Dave Taylor
Ray Whitney
Pat Verbeek
Brian Bellows
Bobby Smith
Alex Kovalev
Ziggy Palffy (insane talent but a short career)
Doug Weight
Dale Hunter (don't ask Turgeon, though)
Steve Thomas
Rick Tocchet
Tony Amonte
Jason Arnott
Gary Roberts
John MacLean
Milan Hejduk

Hall of Good:

Neal Broten (MAYBE you can bump him up to to the HOVG)
Owen Nolan (lacked consistency)
Shane Doan (lacked any kind of team success and wasn't too special for most of his career but had a lengthy and solid career)
Trevor Linden (his playoff heroics and career point total put him here)
Cliff Ronning (underrated)
Bill Guerin
Butch Goring
Dennis Maruk
Alex Tanguay (maybe I'm being a little generous here; I like Tanguay)
Thomas Steen
Alex Zhamnov
Alexei Yashin
Simon Gagne
Stephane Richer
Geoff Courtnall
Dave Gagner
Thomas Gradin

Then there are others that I'd put above the Hall of Mediocrity (Boldirev, Ferraro, Sundstrom, Mike Richards, Olli Jokinen etc), but I can't be bothered listing a bunch of names for that category.

GlitchMarner · Oct 4, 2017

The Roy Of Ottawa said:
I am biased towards players from the 80s. They make up 90% of my list. Pat Verbek is a 500+ goal-scorer.

He was a 500 goal scorer because of the era he played in. You can't induct every single player from that era who put up numbers that look impressive compared to the totals of post-1995 players. Even inducting Andreychuk was going too far.

Take a player like Richards for example: He was actually better than Pat Verbeek even though he scored fewer points. He finished in the top for assists five times and the top ten for points three times. Verbeek never finished in the top ten in any offensive category in a single season. Richards also won a Conn Smythe and two Cups. He had more than 100 playoff points in his career. Verbeek had 62.

If Richards can't get into the HHOF, why would Verbeek?

Hockey Outsider · Oct 4, 2017

Many of those players have no chance whatsoever of being inducted into the Hall of Fame. What arguments are there for Glen Wesley and Brad Marsh? Steve Thomas and Bob Nystrom? Sean Burke and Don Beaupre?

GlitchMarner · Oct 4, 2017

Hockey Outsider said:
Many of those players have no chance whatsoever of being inducted into the Hall of Fame. What arguments are there for Glen Wesley and Brad Marsh? Steve Thomas and Bob Nystrom? Sean Burke and Don Beaupre?

Not to mention Carpenter, Vaive, Ferraro and Foligno.

Canadiens1958 · Oct 4, 2017

Brad Marsh. Slowest defenceman with the longest career.

Doctor No · Oct 4, 2017

You're not going to find a bigger goaltender fan than me, and I specifically love Don Beaupre.

If Don Beaupre is elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame, then the HHOF ceases to be a hall of fame.

Canadiens1958 · Oct 4, 2017

Doctor No said:
You're not going to find a bigger goaltender fan than me, and I specifically love Don Beaupre.

If Don Beaupre is elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame, then the HHOF ceases to be a hall of fame.

Know what you mean. Kept waiting for him to reach the next level after a promising start.

tarheelhockey · Oct 4, 2017

I like to imagine how people would react if, instead of the standards getting lower until Beaupre finally made the cut, he just made the cut straight up as a dark horse.

crobro · Oct 4, 2017

Charlie Simmer is grossly overlooked

The Roy Of Ottawa · Oct 5, 2017

Will Dale Hunter's hit on Pierre Turgeon keep him out of the Hockey Hall of Fame?

The Roy Of Ottawa · Oct 5, 2017

Here is an example of one of the weakest induction classes ever: 2002 - Rod Langway, Bernie Federko, Clark Gilles, Roger Neilson.

http://hhof.com/htmlInduct/ind02menu.shtml

Bernie Federko wasn't a 500+ goal scorer, he never won the Stanley Cup or any other NHL awards, and he never played in the all-stars, but he was the first player in NHL history to record at least 50 assists in 10 consecutive seasons (1979 - 1988). Clark Gillies wasn't a 500+ goal scorer either, but he won four Stanley Cups with the New York Islanders and was a two-time all-star. Rod Langway only scored 51 regular season goals in his career, won the Stanley Cup once with Montreal, won the Norris Trophy twice with Washington and was a three-time all-star. He lost the Art Ross to Wayne Gretzky.

GlitchMarner · Oct 5, 2017

Federko > the likes of Dirk Graham.

vadim sharifijanov · Oct 5, 2017

The Roy Of Ottawa said:
Here is an example of one of the weakest induction classes ever: 2002 - Rod Langway, Bernie Federko, Clark Gilles, Roger Neilson.

http://hhof.com/htmlInduct/ind02menu.shtml

Bernie Federko wasn't a 500+ goal scorer, he never won the Stanley Cup or any other NHL awards, and he never played in the all-stars, but he was the first player in NHL history to record at least 50 assists in 10 consecutive seasons (1979 - 1988).

bernie federko played in two all-star games, 1980 and 1981.

it does speak to his lack of star power that for the rest of the 80s, '82 to '89, federko was only outscored by eight other players and yet he never even made a measly all-star game. yes, the campbell conference was stacked at center in that decade -- dionne also didn't play in '82 and he scored 117 points that year; hawerchuk didn't make the '83 and '84 games; savard didn't play in '85 -- but federko was always the guy passed up in what were peak years for him.

and it's also interesting that we often talk about federko being on an island but he played in the every-team-get-a-player-in-the-all-star-game era and through the '80s the st. louis pick would be brian sutter, rob ramage, and one time mark hunter.

all that said, behind the campbell's conference's big four of gretzky, savard, hawerchuk, and dionne early on/yzerman later, and i guess messier too after he moved over to center, federko was there a lot of years putting up 100 points and finishing in the 8-10 spot in scoring. other guys like bobby smith, pre-gretzky bernie nicholls, young gilmour would hit that level once or twice but there's something to be said for federko's consistency in his ten year prime.

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