The final plan for the draft lottery??

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  1. Taxman

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    I have to say, I like Betteman's plan better. It gives much better odds to teams who didn't fare well the last 3-4 years. This version is much better for the powerhouse teams. I don't like it one bit. :(
     
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    If the Rangers end up with Crosby... :banghead: ...I will shoot myself in the head! I hate the Rangers :madfire:
     
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    Well you know, the conspiracy theorists will tell you that the NHL would love for the Rangers to get Crosby just from a marketing point of view.

    I wonder if they can rig the lottery pretty easily. :amazed:
     
  4. I hate the Rangers as much as the next guy, but to be honest, they are one of the more deserving teams. I would have no problem with Crosby ending up in a Rangers uniform. It would really piss me off if he ended up in Colorado, Toronto, Philadelphia, Detroit, St. Louis, or Dallas. Those are the least deserving teams IMO. Anyone else and I would be satisfied for the most part.
     
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    I honestly think a lot of people on this board are going to be doing one or more of the following after the draft lottery takes place:

    1. crying themselves to sleep

    2. swearing off the NHL forever

    3. spouting lame conspiracy theories

    Also, I suspect the draft lottery thread will be among the worst in the history of this board, similar in "quality" to the WJC finals thread every year, which is nothing but a bunch of crying, chest thumping, and lame arguments.
     
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    Oh, I also hope the lottery is won by whichever team will annoy the most people here possible. So hopefully, the Rangers, Maple Leafs, Red Wings, Avalanche, Senators, or Devils.
     
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    The Maple Leafs would have a 1.7 per cent chance of landing Sidney Crosby under the NHL's proposed lottery system for the next entry draft, while the New York Rangers would be one of two teams with the best shot of getting the junior superstar.

    Ah, the Star. A model in journalistic integrity.

    The implication of course is that it's unfair for the Rangers to get Crosby because they're New York. Nevermind the fact that they stink and the Leafs are a good team.
     
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    I don't understand why people are surprised by this. I've always suspected the final draft solution would be more beneficial for big market teams then the other way around. The NHL is about making money and doing a draft this way pleases the almighty dollar and can be passed off under the banner of 'equity and fairness'.

    I agree. There seems to be a lot of delusional fans out there who are going to be doing 'all of the above'.
     
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    Troy McClure BPA is a lie

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    Well, since there has been no season, whatever they come up with will probably yield a few goofy results. We should all expect that. It seems fair enough, I guess.
     
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    I don't get the theory behind the NHL wanting Crosby to go to a big market team like New York. Even though I hate mentioning Crosby and Gretzky in the same sentence, Crosby should follow the same route Gretzky did. He went to a basically unknown team at the time in the Edmonton Oilers, took them to greatness, then went to the States and made hockey big news there. He should go to an unknown team because the unknown teams are the ones that need the most marketing and the most help. We can use Lebron James as well. Aside from basketball nuts and Cavs fans, who the hell knew of them.
     
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    Isn't this just a rehashing of the story that we heard of two weeks ago (and that generated a thread with something like 50 pages)? What is new here?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    I'm pretty nervous about the order. I felt the Rangers were a lock for a top 3 spot this year, a real cream of the crop prospect. I will dissapointed (not angered) if they don't pick top 3 or so. I just don't want to see them end up picking mid to late.
     
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    The idea is that there are certain cities that America loves more than others. New York is one of them, LA another. They hope that the large NY market will spend on a winner (mostly through merchandising) but a strong New York team will draw better on the road than a strong San Jose or Nashville team. Essentially the theory is that the league would want their "America's team" to campaign around and to schedule around. It is also difficult to sell a Canadian team to the US masses that the NHL still naively thinks they can get those types into their buildings.

    Of course much of this idea is borne out of the minds of people who just happen to work and live in and around New York City. These are the people that write your ad campaigns and run the other nuts and bolts. Basically they get blinded by their own greatness and believe that their city is in fact revered and enamored.

    All that being said, just by recent history the Rangers deserve a more than a fair chance at #1.

    BTW, everybody in the US with a pulse knew about Lebron James... ESPN would talk about him non-stop in his last HS year. ESPN has no interest in hockey and a strong interest in basketball since they can sell it.
     
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    this is not the final draft lottery plan, the same day that this article was written (2 weeks ago) there was a slam article that had a completely different version. they were similar but not the same. which means that no one knows what they are going to do and are just guessing to fill up article space...
     
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    i think it's a fairly safe bet that the teams who picked top 7 last year at least (can't remember the draft order much beyond that, heh) were locks to be picking high in this years draft if there was a season.

    people can say "oh but the sens/avs/wings/flyers/whoever could have bombed and be deserving of a top pick" pfft, not likely when you compare them to the teams who sucked last year.

    i think it needs to be weighted so a team like the flyers or devils aren't likely to end up with a top 5 pick, but that's just me...
     
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    Why all the bother with weighting? It could still lead to an unfair result. Why not just use whatever fairness formula to assign an order?
     
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    I don't mind if it's done this way, and I think every team should have a chance at the top pick (granted, not the same chance). As long as it's done in a fair manner, the outcome of the lottery isn't an issue with me (although seeing my team draw that first pick would be pretty damn sweet). If Crosby goes to Tampa or New York, or even Toronto, so be it. I can't believe people are crying about this already, and nothing has even been decided yet.
     
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    While I do find the Draft Lottery interesting, I only see it as part of the story out there. Past the first overall pick, how do they plan on determining the draft order? Are they going to use the Draft Lottery to determine the entire order, so theoreticaly NYR & CBJ would get the top two picks?

    Based on the article:
    4 Balls: NYR & CBJ
    3 Balls: ANA, ATL, BUF, CAL, CHI, FLA, MIN, MON, MTL, NSH, PHX
    2 Balls: CAR, EDM, LA, PIT, TB
    1 Ball: BOS, COL, DAL, DET, NJ, NYI, OTT, PHI, SJ, STL, TOR, VAN, WAS
     
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    The Chances of the Rangers and CBJ getting the top 2 picks is like 3% if that.
     
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    actually .. 8% to get he first pick and a little over 1 % to get both
     
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    As much as i hate the rangers, they theoretically deserve a high pick

    they have missed the playoffs the last 4 years despite spending million and million of dollars on wasted players

    the draft is about helping a franchise turn it around and the rangers need some serious help so i think if they got the 1st pick overall, i wouldn't mind as much as if a perennial playoff team got it
     

  24. I agree with that.
     
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    correction the rangers have missed the playoffs the last 7 years
     
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