Injury Report: The facts are in on Lost man games
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broinwhyteridge
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No idea. They were still accumulating lost man games when they went on their big tear though. I was primarily just adding to my earlier post; sorry for the bother.
Why should also send Enstrom down to the AHL based on the Jets' record when he doesn't play.
I would argue that if even only little wasn't injured and played 82 games then the jets are in the playoffs...
A top 10 team. With no better than .907 goaltending. That doesn't seem realistic when all the teams finishing in the top 9 all had starting tender numbers .920 or better.
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Maybe a healthier dcoreand little full year with the other key guys will result in better defensive play and system.
Thus having less chances for opponent with premium high quality chances.
I would also speculated that not all injuries are bad luck. In a physical game, there will certainly be injuries that are caused by an opponent's knee or stick, but I think there is a coaching element at play here too; on at least a couple of levels.
1) A coach who seems to have a total disinterest in building a fourth line who can play for more than 4 minutes a night. Those extra minutes get loaded onto fewer players. Especially during the "32 games in 60 days" stretch, that is an unconscionable approach to player deployment that would almost certainly lead to increased injury risk through fatigue and exposure.
2) The ultra-passive PK system that allows opposing D to bomb away from the point while the Jets defenders stand in front of NHL slap shots. Again, shot blocking is a part of the NHL, but the Jets have to do more of it than other teams; both because they take so many penalties and because their PK system forces them to allow more of those shots.
There may be others, and I am not suggesting that there isn't a big element of luck, but I have little doubt that a different coaching approach in these two areas would help.
1) A coach who seems to have a total disinterest in building a fourth line who can play for more than 4 minutes a night. Those extra minutes get loaded onto fewer players. Especially during the "32 games in 60 days" stretch, that is an unconscionable approach to player deployment that would almost certainly lead to increased injury risk through fatigue and exposure.
2) The ultra-passive PK system that allows opposing D to bomb away from the point while the Jets defenders stand in front of NHL slap shots. Again, shot blocking is a part of the NHL, but the Jets have to do more of it than other teams; both because they take so many penalties and because their PK system forces them to allow more of those shots.
There may be others, and I am not suggesting that there isn't a big element of luck, but I have little doubt that a different coaching approach in these two areas would help.
There were so many things that could have been fixed relatively easily this season, that I dislike providing the coaching with any excuses.
But of course the injuries didn't help matters any.
But of course the injuries didn't help matters any.
If we compare to their playoff year, they had more MGL in total (roughly 100 more i believe)
However, in 2014-2015 they had more man games lost to Dmen compared to this year
However, in 2014-2015 they had more man games lost to Dmen compared to this year
In 2014 / 2015 Jets were middle of the pack for Injuries. As for D, this year we were missing Myers basically all season and Enstrom for a while. Maybe more important though and not counted as an injury was Trouba's hold out.
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I agree that injuries played a part. My point of contention is against the narrative that "injuries were the difference between making or missing the playoffs".
I personally don't think they were - I think lack of front office activity post-Christmas was the problem (for whatever reason: hard to make trades because of XD and cap situations amongst teams, inability or unwillingness to make trades, etc).
That played a bigger part, IMO. Neither helped.
Of course the injuries didn't help but I think the actions of Maurice and the inactions of Chevy were far more damaging to the season.
You might be right this season (with the cut-off at 94 points). But I'm not convinced that if the Jets had basically no injuries (like the Leafs) and didn't miss Trouba for the first month that they couldn't have made up 7 points in the standings.
Still, hard to make the playoffs with such low performance in goal.
Other than in net, which I was hoping Chevy fixes, inactivity by Chevy is more likely than not to benefit us in the future. Teams would fall all over themselves to move fading vets on big ticket contracts to us for one or more of our cost controlled kids. In the short term we would have been better and filled some of our injury gaps but in the long term not so much.
I preferred that Chevy didn't make silly in-season moves to waste organizational assets to try and become a bubble team and get paddled out in round one.
I know Chevy gets a hard time for not making moves but there is a time to make them and a time not to. I didn't think last year was the time to make moves especially with all the constraints (XD considerations).
Ah well. I am enjoying the playoffs this year even without the Jets. They'll make it next year.
I actually said "THIS IS A MAJOR REASON WHY WE DIDN'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. PERIOD!" So it was one of the main reasons was my point.
Jetfaninflorida
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This doesn't match the actual team performance. Map the injuries to the team's w-l record. Doesn't jive in terms of why we didn't make the playoffs. If you are looking for a consolation prize or explanation as to why we didn't make the playoffs, you could just as easily use the other things that don't jive. Like schedule, bad calls, puck luck. I am not saying that injuries don't affect you. But if you map our injuries to our performance, you can't conclude that we would have made the playoffs if not for injuries.
Goaltending, coaching and defence. Fix two of those three and we get into the playoffs next year. Regardless of schedule, puck luck, bad calls, injuries, weather, rabbit's feet etc.
Goaltending, coaching and defence. Fix two of those three and we get into the playoffs next year. Regardless of schedule, puck luck, bad calls, injuries, weather, rabbit's feet etc.
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Did this team even play one game with our complete D in the lineup?
In other words we have nothing to compare the other 82 games to.
Jetfaninflorida
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Our 7 game winning streak was with important starters missing -- Enstrom, Myers, Matthais all jump to mind.
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The eight game stretch in January without a win doesn't count? Not sure what you are trying to say.
Here's what is most probable:
Less injuries = more points in the standings.
Well pavelec was our starting goalie when we made the playoffs and we missed last year without him so he should probably be resigned...
When a player is injured a worse player is playing instead. If there's no benefit to having Myers play instead of Stuart then it doesn't really matter at all what players we have.
Injuries and goals scored in my opinion are connected.
a) Injuries lead to extra minutes on certain players.
b) Those certain players games for the most part went down hill as a result of extra minutes.
c) Downhill play results in miscues on the ice, which leads to turnovers or out of position.
d) Miscues on the ice result in tap in goals.
So in conclusion: If the team is healthy and players play within their limits then less mistakes are made and less goals go in.
I am not saying the Goalies didn't suck, because they clearly did. However not every goal is on the goaltender and in a few cases our goalies were not helped very much. My opinion is that if the team was healthier there would have been a few less pucks in the net and those low save percentages and goals against improve slightly.
I can easily see picking up 4 other wins or holding onto a tie into OT if guys like Buff are not playing over the top minutes, Little is centering a top line or Laine doesn't miss 8 games.
Side Note: If Trouba doesn't miss the first month and we get 1 or 2 more wins as a result that number of points drops as well. That's on management and Trouba though. Even though I supported Chevy in taking a hard stance against Trouba.
a) Injuries lead to extra minutes on certain players.
b) Those certain players games for the most part went down hill as a result of extra minutes.
c) Downhill play results in miscues on the ice, which leads to turnovers or out of position.
d) Miscues on the ice result in tap in goals.
So in conclusion: If the team is healthy and players play within their limits then less mistakes are made and less goals go in.
I am not saying the Goalies didn't suck, because they clearly did. However not every goal is on the goaltender and in a few cases our goalies were not helped very much. My opinion is that if the team was healthier there would have been a few less pucks in the net and those low save percentages and goals against improve slightly.
I can easily see picking up 4 other wins or holding onto a tie into OT if guys like Buff are not playing over the top minutes, Little is centering a top line or Laine doesn't miss 8 games.
Side Note: If Trouba doesn't miss the first month and we get 1 or 2 more wins as a result that number of points drops as well. That's on management and Trouba though. Even though I supported Chevy in taking a hard stance against Trouba.
That's a simplistic view of how injuries affect performance. For one, injured players are often not in shape or not fully up to speed until some time after they return from injury. Also, some players are playing sub-par with injuries before they decide to go on the injury list to get things sorted out (like Enstrom before the end of the season when he finally sat out to get injuries dealt with). Moreover, during a very hectic schedule, injuries put more wear and tear on the remaining top players, reducing their effectiveness for prolonged periods of time. Beyond that, there is the natural lack of rhythm and consistency that a team has with players going in and out of the line-up.
