TSN: The Drouin Saga Part III "Don't Tell Me What the Poets are Drouin"
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How do you know this? He requested a trade about a month earlier, from what I know he made his request public minutes after being sent down. He was sent down because he and his coach differed on his role and for conditioning after coming back from injury.
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SirClintonPortis
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He made the request in November, which is a near proximity to the Hamonic trade request. What Camp Drouin did was make that information public recently.
Scintillating10
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I think Drouin is overrated. His stats in AHL are bad this year. He had benefit of playing on some great teams with tons of firepower while with Mooseheads. All this plus potential of attitude, just too many red flags there for me to offer big package for.
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His team was full of fire power in his last year with the Mooseheads largely because of him; he also out-produced MacKinnon anyway. His AHL stats are poor partly because he was coming off of injury; his NHL stats are very indicative of him being a good NHL player. Also, his attitude is surely a real issue.
Alex Kovalev had attitude issues. But still he was a calculated risk by Gainey that paid off.
Seguin had attitudes issues. He was a calculated risk by Nill that paid off.
Ribeiro had attitude issues. He was a calculated risk by Dallas that paid off.
Carter and Richards had attitude issues. It was a calculated risk by The Kings that paid off.
Roy was traded cauze he had attitude issues. And requested a trade.
Patrick Kane has attitude issues.
Attitude is overrated.
Attitude = caracter. Caracter wins you cups.
Seguin had attitudes issues. He was a calculated risk by Nill that paid off.
Ribeiro had attitude issues. He was a calculated risk by Dallas that paid off.
Carter and Richards had attitude issues. It was a calculated risk by The Kings that paid off.
Roy was traded cauze he had attitude issues. And requested a trade.
Patrick Kane has attitude issues.
Attitude is overrated.
Attitude = caracter. Caracter wins you cups.
I'm kind of this mindset. You want your 3rd and 4th liners to be team players. But you need some ego and bite on the team. Henri Richard and Chris Chelios were no shrinking violets.
Agreed. Theses players are often over-confident, which is a good thing sometimes.
sampollock
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Attitude seems too often a poor excuse to diss a player we don't like. Media do it. Fans do it. It comes from a childish and romanticized version of sports stars like they can do no wrong.
In the current case this management pay lip service to this. You have thousands of pro hockey players in the world that have great attitudes. If that's Bergevin and Therrien goal, they can do a better job finding a squeaky clean roster... Meanwhile you have very little talented players, that's why Dick Irvin was winning Cups using players like Murph Chamberlain who would dissappear on drunken benders for several days.
People will easily forget the foibles of their heros:
-that Henri Richard who's the NHL player with the most Stanley Cups (11), would go to the media to complain about his icetime and criticize his coach...during the playoffs.
-that Chris Pronger got in a bar fight
-that Marc Messier, mister leadership, missed a plane to an NHL game.
-that Mario Lemieux was in the same hotel room as Dan Quinn during an Alleged incident.
-that Bobby Orr and Phil Esposito disliked each other and hung out in different clans.
-etc...etc...
In the current case this management pay lip service to this. You have thousands of pro hockey players in the world that have great attitudes. If that's Bergevin and Therrien goal, they can do a better job finding a squeaky clean roster... Meanwhile you have very little talented players, that's why Dick Irvin was winning Cups using players like Murph Chamberlain who would dissappear on drunken benders for several days.
People will easily forget the foibles of their heros:
-that Henri Richard who's the NHL player with the most Stanley Cups (11), would go to the media to complain about his icetime and criticize his coach...during the playoffs.
-that Chris Pronger got in a bar fight
-that Marc Messier, mister leadership, missed a plane to an NHL game.
-that Mario Lemieux was in the same hotel room as Dan Quinn during an Alleged incident.
-that Bobby Orr and Phil Esposito disliked each other and hung out in different clans.
-etc...etc...
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LaP
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Another sport but Bonds and Manny Ramirez had ****** attitude. They were still guy you wanted to be around to win.
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"Attitude" issues can mean a lot of things...
Some issues are more compatible with pro environment than others.
More importantly, "issues" period basically just means the odds of getting reliable performance are smaller... Those types of athletes are more fragile.
Context, coaching, teammates, personal life... Things have to align almost perfectly to get the talent, otherwise you get headaches (kovalev, ribeiro, Richards were all major problems for their teams at various points... Jagr is a perfect example...)
The draft list of the past decade is littered with guys who had NHL talent, even star talent, that never did squat with it.
Drouin healthy but not playing at all at 20 is about as big a risk factor you can find. Worth gambling in his talent, but his cap hit alone is risky, let alone the reported asking price. No way he's worth that much of a risk, asking price needs to drop or bad money needs to go out the door as part of the deal
Some issues are more compatible with pro environment than others.
More importantly, "issues" period basically just means the odds of getting reliable performance are smaller... Those types of athletes are more fragile.
Context, coaching, teammates, personal life... Things have to align almost perfectly to get the talent, otherwise you get headaches (kovalev, ribeiro, Richards were all major problems for their teams at various points... Jagr is a perfect example...)
The draft list of the past decade is littered with guys who had NHL talent, even star talent, that never did squat with it.
Drouin healthy but not playing at all at 20 is about as big a risk factor you can find. Worth gambling in his talent, but his cap hit alone is risky, let alone the reported asking price. No way he's worth that much of a risk, asking price needs to drop or bad money needs to go out the door as part of the deal
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Totally agree with you there, however Drouin has done absolutely nothing compared to those players at the point and time they were traded.
hototogisu
Poked the bear!!!!!
Since the Drouin talk has cooled, and since we're approaching 1000 posts, let's move all discussion about acquiring him to the trade proposal thread.
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