Value of: Tavares Rights

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  1. STLBLUES44

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    If NYI decides to try and move him "for something" what would u be willing to offer just to acquire his rights to try and sign him before july 1st?

    As a blues fan i think i'd be comfortable moving Kyrou and maybe the WPG 1st this year. Despite the lack of leverage NYI would have, just so we an outbid everybody else

    How about you guys?
     
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    That's a lot to give up for negotiating rights
     
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    4th/5th at most.
     
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    JT seems to be loyal to a fault. If a team paid that high of a price for his rights IMO that would give that team a huge upper hand to sign him. If blues made that type of trade and he signed with them instead of sharks, isles or another team it would turn them into a true contender for years.
     
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    This is more "sign and trade" than negotiating rights, and I'm really not even sure a sign and trade is a legit option.
     
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    Tavares is going to get money and term from multiple teams. His negotiating rights don't have much value at all. If he wont sign before Free Agency with the Islanders, he isn't going to do it for any other team.

    What has actual value is a sign and trade. In that scenario, if Tavares wants to go elsewhere, the Islanders get some assets and Tavares can get an 8th year. Tavares dictates where he goes though and early negotiating rights probably wont help any team.
     
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    If he was that loyale he would sign with the NYI, if he goes, it's for different purposes, such as a particular team he wants to play for or simply getting the best offer whos closer from in a team he feels who can contend with him aboard.

    If he was about money or about loyalty he would stay with NYI because i feel like NYI would match anything.
     
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    This really only has legs if Tavares wants that 8th year badly. Otherwise, why would he want to deplete the team he's about to join of quality assets?
     
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    A players rights won’t get you that much. Even if it’s an elite player.

    As an islanders if we were trade Tavares rights I honestly wouldn’t expect anything more than a 3rd round pick.

    The only scenario that I could possibly see the isles getting more is if they make the trade conditional and get more if Tavares signs
     
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    I could see a team throwing NYI a 4th or 5th round pick for rights. But nothing much more than that.

    The only situation/team that would make sense as a sign and trade possibility would be the mentioned Nashville Johansen/Tavares deal. The value is obviously there for Tavares (he gets to play on a great team with his buddy, PK), it's there for Nashville, but it's not there for NYI who would probably be better off without Johansen's contract. I really don't know of any similar situations.
     
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    NYI take that deal in a heartbeat since they have zero risk in it and get a pick and a top level prospect to boot. Nothing would prevent them from resigning him after July 1 as his rights run out on that day. If he does decide to not re-up with NYI, then they still get a pick and a top level prospect and the Blues get nothing at all except the mockery of every team and fanbase. It would be the ultimate coup and probably cost Armstrong his job because that would be probably the most boneheaded move a GM has made in recent memory. Blues fans need to get used to the idea of not getting JT and focus on realistic things to improve the team.
     
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    Depends on what type of assets we're talking about. Or how an 8th year may drop the cap hit. I don't think Tavares would be too worried about a new team moving non-core pieces or picks. And the Islanders leverage would be limited in such a situation. But it seems like a scenario that could benefit everyone.
     
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    I would give the 31st pick and Bogoasian, Buffalo's 2019 1st and future considerations if he signs.
     
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    We can have both but yeah banking on Tavares isn't wise for any fan base even if your team is on his 3-4 team short list.
     
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    Buffalo doesn't have the 31st pick, the 1st round goes to 31 now.
     
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    Wouldn't give up a thing, he either wants to go to team X or he doesn't.
     
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    When players on the level of Tavares leave, it's typically for 1 of 3 reasons:

    1. They want money.
    2. They want to win a cup.
    3. They have a personal connection to another club.

    It's not as though Tavares is going to look at whoever acquires his rights and change his opinion on those factors. Anyone who pays more than a 3rd is overpaying. What's the most negotiating rights have been traded for in the past? A 1st+ seems like a massive overpayment.
     
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    If JT is so loyal, he won't be leaving the Islanders....
     
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    Oops, 32nd pick.
     
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    Buffalo and the NYI seem like very similar teams. Why would Tavares sign in Buffalo if he doesn't want to play for the NYI?
     
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    The Islanders shouldn't get much for his rights should they opt to trade him. But they may very well due to a team being desperate or under a strong belief that they could retain him.
     
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    That's terrible
     
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    It does not matter. As long he re-signs with my team, I do not care if my team acquires his rights or signs him as a UFA.
     
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    For the Islanders their best bet to maximize trading Tavares is do a sign and trade(so Tavares gets his 8th year). This would assume an 8th year would make a difference for one team over a 7 year deal
     

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