Strange verbiage from Bob McKenzie on TSN

[jkutswings]

Countdown to TradeCentre: Who's a seller? - Article - TSN

It's an article listing the teams likely to sell at the deadline, and what players will likely be available. But here's how he brought up the Wings:

"But Detroit, they’ve won a little bit more than they want to even lately, but Mike Green, he’s going to be available - expiring contract."

Now I don't know what (if any) additional context preceded that statement. But it's a very weird choice of words, hearing, '... they've won a little bit more than they want to...", especially juxtaposed against the extremely consistent narrative from Holland, about being competitive and winning as much as they can.

Maybe Bob misspoke, but strange stuff...

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[MikeyDee]

"They want" was his words not Holland's; this was more of a McKenzie opinion than true fact.

 

[TheMule93]

Their 4 game winning streak did indeed worry me, hopefully we turn it around

 

[HisNoodliness]

Countdown to TradeCentre: Who's a seller? - Article - TSN

It's an article listing the teams likely to sell at the deadline, and what players will likely be available. But here's how he brought up the Wings:

"But Detroit, they’ve won a little bit more than they want to even lately, but Mike Green, he’s going to be available - expiring contract."

Now I don't know what (if any) additional context preceded that statement. But it's a very weird choice of words, hearing, '... they've won a little bit more than they want to...", especially juxtaposed against the extremely consistent narrative from Holland, about being competitive and winning as much as they can.

Maybe Bob misspoke, but strange stuff...

Maybe it's just from his perspective. We've won more than we should want to or something along those lines. If it's actually that Holland is secretly hoping to tank that'd be incredible haha. Honestly, I'm just happy to hear Bob reaffirm that we're going to trade Green. I'm always terrified of Holland deciding to try to resign him.

 

[MikeyDee]

Re-sign Mike Green??? Not gonna happen. We'll trade him for sure before the TD.

 

[ShelbyZ]

IMO it's in the context of what he earlier in the article calls "accepting their fate as sellers with the playoff picture become more clear". The RW are technically a .500 team 7 points out of the last WC spot, while the other teams he listed are pretty much done.

In that sense, the Red Wings have been more successful up to this point to where their focus now doesn't completely shifts to who finds a new home on 2/26.

That said, Green still better move at the deadline...

The other notable from the article is TB reportedly looking for a RH Dman. "Steve Yzerman, meet Mike Green". What would the Red Wings want back from Tampa?

 

[Redder Winger]

"They want" was his words not Holland's; this was more of a McKenzie opinion than true fact.

Because any reasonable person understands that the better the draft pick, the more likely it is Detroit gets the kind of player who can help them.

 

[BinCookin]

....What would the Red Wings want back from Tampa?

Odds are the 1st round pick would be #31. So i would say at minimum 1st round pick...

1st round pick + Prospect would be nicer.

I would preferably trade green to any team offering a 1st that is not named tampa

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Odds are the 1st round pick would be #31. So i would say at minimum 1st round pick...

1st round pick + Prospect would be nicer.

I would preferably trade green to any team offering a 1st that is not named tampa

Only chance of ever getting Stevie here is Tampa winning. On to Tampa!

I don’t see the harm he may leave if he wins the cup or not. If he signs so what? He won’t be amazing at age 35-37 when the wings are going on deep playoff runs

 

[MikeyDee]

Odds are the 1st round pick would be #31. So i would say at minimum 1st round pick...

1st round pick + Prospect would be nicer.

I would preferably trade green to any team offering a 1st that is not named tampa

Based on cap space, could TB even do this trade? I'm not a big fan of this (inter-divisional) trade, but do remember his contract ends this season. There is a high likelihood Green isn't even with the same team next season he is traded to this season.

 

[MikeyDee]

Just saw that Hedman left game yesterday with injury (no details). Even if he was on LTIR, I'm not sure if a TB has the cap space for a Green trade without another player from TB's cap umbrella.

 

[BinCookin]

Based on cap space, could TB even do this trade? I'm not a big fan of this (inter-divisional) trade, but do remember his contract ends this season. There is a high likelihood Green isn't even with the same team next season he is traded to this season.

If we retain on Green (thats 3 Mil)

Also salaries are calculated Daily.

teams bank their extra space daily.
So technically they will have needed a little under 1 mil space this whole time to afford him.

capfriendly:


CURRENT CAP SPACE

: $4,280,683
DEADLINE CAP SPACE

: $9,096,451

 

[Beltv]

We will trade Green to Tampa for negotiation rights to Stevie's next contract to GM the Red Wings.

 

[SirloinUB]

The ideal situation would be to trade green at the TDL and bring him back this summer (if we can find the cap space)

 

[Pavels Dog]

Wings looked done about 10 games ago. Now they're dangerously close to being in the mix again. It's just easier to pull the trigger on selling when you're way out.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Just saw that Hedman left game yesterday with injury (no details). Even if he was on LTIR, I'm not sure if a TB has the cap space for a Green trade without another player from TB's cap umbrella.

He took a knee on knee, Not sure what his status will be long term. Only that Cooper didn't think it was good.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

We will trade Green to Tampa for negotiation rights to Stevie's next contract to GM the Red Wings.

Man that would be sweet, Stevie Y come on home.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Wings looked done about 10 games ago. Now they're dangerously close to being in the mix again. It's just easier to pull the trigger on selling when you're way out.

That's a pretty loose definition of "dangerously close." It's possible now, but it's still unlikely.

 

[Ezekial]

He took a knee on knee, Not sure what his status will be long term. Only that Cooper didn't think it was good.

Have you seen the video or screen grab? Knees shouldn't bend like that, looked like the type of knee movement you see in an ACL injury.

 

[jkutswings]

Odds are the 1st round pick would be #31. So i would say at minimum 1st round pick...

1st round pick + Prospect would be nicer.

I would preferably trade green to any team offering a 1st that is not named tampa

Does Tampa have a cap dump they'd want to ditch? Depending on the term remaining, maybe they could sweeten the deal, and do Green for the cap dump + a couple 1st rounders (or something along those lines).

It's those type of deals, adding more picks in exchange for the temporary garbage of other teams, for why I'd rather have a few million in cap space. I mean, if you know the team is mediocre, and needs a few more years for the other bad deals to come off the books, you might as well grab as many picks as possible in the meantime (assuming no acquired cap dumps have term longer than your other bad deals).

 

[Redder Winger]

Does Tampa have a cap dump they'd want to ditch? Depending on the term remaining, maybe they could sweeten the deal, and do Green for the cap dump + a couple 1st rounders (or something along those lines).

It's those type of deals, adding more picks in exchange for the temporary garbage of other teams, for why I'd rather have a few million in cap space. I mean, if you know the team is mediocre, and needs a few more years for the other bad deals to come off the books, you might as well grab as many picks as possible in the meantime (assuming no acquired cap dumps have term longer than your other bad deals).

Only guy I could see is Ryan Callahan. Maybe Tyler Johnson.
But you don't trade a Tyler Johnson away before going for the cup. Probably don't do it with Cally either.
More of an offseason move if you can swing it.

 

[MikeyDee]

Only guy I could see is Ryan Callahan. Maybe Tyler Johnson.
But you don't trade a Tyler Johnson away before going for the cup. Probably don't do it with Cally either.
More of an offseason move if you can swing it.

No way TB dumps Tyler Johnson. There's other players they'd do that to first.

 

[Redder Winger]

No way TB dumps Tyler Johnson. There's other players they'd do that to first.

Yeah, I wouldn't either. Especially with a rising cap. But I'd heard speculation about him moving in the past.

 

[Ezekial]

Only guy I could see is Ryan Callahan. Maybe Tyler Johnson.
But you don't trade a Tyler Johnson away before going for the cup. Probably don't do it with Cally either.
More of an offseason move if you can swing it.

Yep, Tyler Johnson is playing far too well right now and Callahan has 2 more seasons after this one at 5.8 million so that's not a viable dump we'd take on.

 

[ShelbyZ]

Based on cap space, could TB even do this trade? I'm not a big fan of this (inter-divisional) trade, but do remember his contract ends this season. There is a high likelihood Green isn't even with the same team next season he is traded to this season.

At the TDL, around 75% of Green is paid, so Tampa would be adding around $1.5M. With retention up to 50%, it could be as low as around $750k. A quick glance at CapFriendly shows Tampa has around a hair under $2M to play with.

I guess for Tampa, is having another puck moving Dman and PP QB worth the 1st+ to take the team deep in the playoffs? And maybe they see Green as somebody they could keep in the fold for a reasonable price. Greens made at least $5M in salary the last 10 years, so maybe he focuses on winning a Cup instead of getting a pay day. Tampa's probably going to be a contender for a few seasons and the taxes are better there. Given Sustr and Kunitz come off the books this summer and the cap increase is supposed to be substantial, they have room without hindering their ability to reward Kucherov in the near future. They could probably move Coburn if the need the room.

Does Tampa have a cap dump they'd want to ditch? Depending on the term remaining, maybe they could sweeten the deal, and do Green for the cap dump + a couple 1st rounders (or something along those lines).

It's those type of deals, adding more picks in exchange for the temporary garbage of other teams, for why I'd rather have a few million in cap space. I mean, if you know the team is mediocre, and needs a few more years for the other bad deals to come off the books, you might as well grab as many picks as possible in the meantime (assuming no acquired cap dumps have term longer than your other bad deals).

The only real "bad" deals Tampa has on the books (where they might cough up some assets to get rid of) would be Callahan and Coburn. However, both have a full NMC/NTC until the start of 18-19, so I doubt they'd waive them to leave a Cup favorite to go to a "team that isn't rebuilding and still wants to try to make the playoffs but isn't in the playoffs". I doubt they look to make any cap dump deals until the offseason, if needed.

If I'm Holland I put on my salesman pants and try to work Mrazek in the deal too. "Boy sure would suck to have Vasilevsky go down and face running a Budaj/Domingue tandem down the stretch or in the playoffs." or "Just got off the phone with Garth. He's doing great by the way. Was asking about Mrazek. Boy, wouldn't it be something if they got him, locked down the last wildcard spot and then have a goalie that's got a playoff resume of 1.87GAA and .93SV% in 10 games all against Tampa Bay?"

Green/Mrazek (both at 50% retained)

for

2018 1st/Libor Hajek/Dotchin or Koekkoek or conditionals depending on where Tampa reaches in the POs/Green re-signing/games played by Mrazek/etc.