Strachan sets Alberta straight

[Hemsky4PM]

Strachan sees things very narrowly. Consider the comment on Oates. The Oilers made one big contract bogey last year and have certainly dumped more big money guys than they have signed.

Want a list of the Leaf's and Canadien's errors? How about Khristich? Audette? Brisboise? Rivet? Renberg? The Oilers and Flames can't afford the mistakes that more affluent clubs can. They pay dearly (as they did with Oates) when they screw up.

 

[mackdogs*]

Strachan sees things very narrowly. Consider the comment on Oates. The Oilers made one big contract bogey last year and have certainly dumped more big money guys than they have signed.

Want a list of the Leaf's and Canadien's errors? How about Khristich? Audette? Brisboise? Rivet? Renberg? The Oilers and Flames can't afford the mistakes that more affluent clubs can. They pay dearly (as they did with Oates) when they screw up.

Yup, and they only paid Oates for a portion of the season. Another fact that slipped Strach's mind.

 

[HF2002]

Yeah, its not even close, as much as people may not want to admit it, Alberta does prop up the rest of the country.

Feel free to explain why this is so. I'd like to understand how little you really know about the topic.

 

[Boilers*]

Feel free to explain why this is so. I'd like to understand how little you really know about the topic.

92.9% of Alberta's revenues are stolen from them every year and nothing gets returned to them. Ontario and BC don't receive any transfer payments either but they aren't taxed to the nines like Alberta is. That's his point there sparky.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Eastern Canada should have let Alberta starve during the Depression years. That way they wouldn't have to suffer through the whining today about equalization payments.

Thats a pretty assinine thing to say, Other Dave. Pretty much ruins your credibility.

 

[Lowetide]

Eastern Canada should have let Alberta starve during the Depression years. That way they wouldn't have to suffer through the whining today about equalization payments.

I have absolutely no idea why you would post this. I have read many of your posts and respect your opinion. I find this very disconcerting that you would consider this appropriate.

 

[AM]

Oates wasnt a mistake

unfortuneately, when youre pinching pennies you cant afford the least ammount of "developement money".

HE coulda payed off big, he just didnt.

That could be said for the whole Leaf team..... any Leaf fan lambasting Oates is a hypocrit.....

perhaps not a hypocrit, but not really a fan of the Leafs in that case....

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Strachan sees things very narrowly. Consider the comment on Oates. The Oilers made one big contract bogey last year and have certainly dumped more big money guys than they have signed.

Want a list of the Leaf's and Canadien's errors? How about Khristich? Audette? Brisboise? Rivet? Renberg? The Oilers and Flames can't afford the mistakes that more affluent clubs can. They pay dearly (as they did with Oates) when they screw up.

That moron with his greasy comb-over isn't aware of any of the signings of which you speak. Why bother being objective when it's so easy to pick on the Oilers. I think he should spend more time on personal hygiene, he looks pretty seedy to me, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Canadian Time]

He was right

That moron with his greasy comb-over isn't aware of any of the signings of which you speak. Why bother being objective when it's so easy to pick on the Oilers. I think he should spend more time on personal hygiene, he looks pretty seedy to me, but that's just my opinion.

Sorry, but haven't you (and the majority in this thread) just proven Strachan totally correct. Looks like he nailed it.

Unfortunately, anyone who suggests that the Flames and Oilers should be a little more self-sufficient encounters a barrage of ad hominem arguments. Even if you used to live in Calgary, would go back there in a heartbeat, and think Alberta is the best province in the entire country in which to reside, it matters not. No one from outside of Alberta, it seems, is allowed to call the Oilers and Flames what they really are -- the league's biggest whiners.

Look, I don't hate the Oilers or their fans, it's a great market, but I just don't get the hold that Lowe has over the fans and the media in Edmonton. Lowe is a very mediocre GM and has bought himself five years of mistakes with the poverty card. Every year he struts out and tells the media that this latest crop of kids is the real deal. They never are and he shrugs his shoulders and blames the system. You're putting blame on the wrong problem.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Sorry, but haven't you (and the majority in this thread) just proven Strachan totally correct. Looks like he nailed it.



Look, I don't hate the Oilers or their fans, it's a great market, but I just don't get the hold that Lowe has over the fans and the media in Edmonton. Lowe is a very mediocre GM and has bought himself five years of mistakes with the poverty card. Every year he struts out and tells the media that this latest crop of kids is the real deal. They never are and he shrugs his shoulders and blames the system. You're putting blame on the wrong problem.

No, he's ignoring the same issues as they relate to other teams, and that's horse-**** journalism. It's very much in vogue to pick on the Oilers, and easier still from Toronto, where the franchise would have died a slow death if not for the blessing of being in the world's best natural hockey market. Strachan is a jackass, Kevin Lowe doesn't need to hynpotize me across 3000 miles to develop that opinion.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

God bless Strachan. He's telling the truth. The Oilers and the Flames are a bunch of whiners. Waaaah I can't afford to sign anyone Waaah we are losing money Waaah Waaaah. Just get rid of one of the teams and let the whole area cheer for one team. I'm sure the whining won't stop though.

And God bless your parents for bringing you into the earth.

 

[Chayos]

Honest question, why does it seem that Flames and Oilers fans are more obsessed with getting a salary cap to "level the playing field" than they are about getting some revenue sharing? Wouldn't revenue sharing help them a little bit more?

Say what you want, but the Oilers had a payroll in the low $30's last season and by all accounts are barely scraping by. If they can't afford the $40 or $42.5 million salary caps that were proposed, then why insist on it instead of pushing for revenue sharing?

Even if Detroit has to chop their payroll to get under a salary cap, they're still miles ahead of the Oilers since the Red Wings can actually draft decent players, so a cap won't make the Oilers instant contenders.

Sure, Doug Weight wouldn't have signed a $7, $8, or $9 million contract with a salary cap in place, maybe only $5 million, which still would have been too much for the Oilers to afford. Teams that actually can afford a $40 million cap will still have an advantage over the Oilers without actual revenue sharing.

The oilers offerered Weight 5 mill but he turned it down for obvious reasons. The thing is the oilers would be on a more competive ground knowing that they don't have to write off 6 games a year against DET, COl and Dall because the other teams payroll is double what the oil is paying.

People can say all they want about the oilers ability to draft, but during the periods where tehir drafting has been suspect, thier pro scouts have went to town and pullout great prospects off other teams list through trades.

Players who the oil got in trades: Hamrlick, Brewer, York, Torres, Weight, Marchant, Carter, Guerin, Ninnimma, and Smith.

The oilers may not be top notch drafters, but they just poached people bad on the trade market. Milbury was a prime target but they bested Clarke, Lamorello, Neil Smith(numerous times) and others too. The reality is Edmonton has been competive in all but 3 season in the last 25, which is something that can't be said by the Storied franchise in Tor.

To everything that putz Strachan has to say i can say one thing: 1967, 1967, 1967

remember the leafs haven't done a thing in the last 38 years so regardless of the playing field being uneven for the last 10 years tehy still did nothing so he should learn to shut the hell up.

I really wonder if he knows how badly a lot of Canadians detest the leafs anyways.

 

[guymez]

Strachans main objective is to stir the pot. He is clearly pro player in this dispute. Like most pro player takes, sound research and logic are somewhat lacking. I liked Peter Mahr's opinion on the article (expressed today on The Fan). He essentially stated that he understood that Strachan was pro NHLPA so he reads his article and moves on. He doesn't let it bother him.
Sounds reasonable to me.

Strachan is trying to do his part to stir things up and try to sway public opinion. Probably the best way to approach his work is like reading the National Enquirer while you wait in line to pay for groceries. You read it...chuckle a litte...then put it down and forget about it.

 

[Phanuthier*]

How has the collective intelligence of HF gone down so quickly in the past year?

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

How has the collective intelligence of HF gone down so quickly in the past year?

It's this little thing called emotion, once it becomes involved people become raving idiots...

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Eastern Canada should have let Alberta starve during the Depression years. That way they wouldn't have to suffer through the whining today about equalization payments.

huh? the dumbest post ever...like we said in the 70s and 80s when Oil was booming "let those eastern bastards freeze"

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Would you say the Avalanche and Devils are among those teams?

yes...45 and 50mil caps
way too high

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

huh? the dumbest post ever...like we said in the 70s and 80s when Oil was booming "let those eastern bastards freeze"

Jeez, don't let me freeze, okay?? I'm a damned nice easterner..

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Jeez, don't let me freeze, okay?? I'm a damned nice easterner..

Oops, my bad! all the MEAN one's

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Oops, my bad! all the MEAN one's

I was just kidding, and I believed you were referring to those who would put the "E" back in Igrant, as the esteemed poster was doing above. I knew you wouldn't let me freeze, plus, I've been storing up some extra calories in anticipation of an East versus West civil unrest.l

 

[Mr Sakich]

huh? the dumbest post ever...like we said in the 70s and 80s when Oil was booming "let those eastern bastards freeze"

before you prove your ignorance, perhaps you would like a little history on that comment. Natural gas is like a stew that has some parts (methane) that don't burn real strong. It has other parts (propane + butane) that give off a lot more heat when burnt in your furnace. In 1980, there was a discussion about Alberta oil companies expanding plants to remove more of the good stuff before we shipped on the Transcanada pipleine. The stripping plants are located in Burstall and have the highest throughput of any gas plants in the world.

At that time, Transcanada paid using a system called the postage stamp which basically paid the same for poor gas as it did for rich gas. Klien wanted to strip the good stuff and sell it to petrochemical plants. The federal gov't objected even though it was none of their business. Their concern was that the remaining gas wouldn't have enough btu's to keep a house warm , ie - the eastern bastards would freeze. Klein was laughing at their ignorance.

This has clearly not happened. We have expanded those plants and your house is still warm.

 

[kdb209]

As a curious American (with no emotional ties to Alberta or Eastern Canada - I'm more partial to BC myself) I have this question for you up north:

If all of the provinces were independent countries - which would be the strongest economically?

I have my thoughts - what are yours.

 

[YellHockey*]

If all of the provinces were independent countries - which would be the strongest economically?

It would be dependent upon how the independent provinces dealt with each other but here's how I see if it was like the EU, in order.

Alberta would be the strongest, but it would be dependent upon the market for oil.

Ontario would be next but it would be the most hurt by the division. Toronto could be hurt by head offices setting up in multiple provinces instead of just one national Canadian office. As well, Ottawa would be damaged by the loss of federal govenment jobs.

BC could be next, but who knows what would happen if they had to govern themselves. Politics in BC are, by most accounts I've read, seriously wacky.

Quebec would be up there with BC, but there'd be an exodus of English speaking Quebecers if Quebec was independent. A lot of jobs would be lost in Gatineau, on the other side of the river from Ottawa.

 

[Mr Sakich]

if it weren't for the people, BC would be the richest by a big margin but there are too many tree huggers and socialists. Alberta has oil and gas but we also have edmonton so that kinda hurts us.

IMO, Ontario would be the richest because their population has reached a critical mass, they don't need the rest of canada. Per capita, alberta or BC but Ontario would be the biggest economy.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

before you prove your ignorance, perhaps you would like a little history on that comment. Natural gas is like a stew that has some parts (methane) that don't burn real strong. It has other parts (propane + butane) that give off a lot more heat when burnt in your furnace. In 1980, there was a discussion about Alberta oil companies expanding plants to remove more of the good stuff before we shipped on the Transcanada pipleine. The stripping plants are located in Burstall and have the highest throughput of any gas plants in the world.

At that time, Transcanada paid using a system called the postage stamp which basically paid the same for poor gas as it did for rich gas. Klien wanted to strip the good stuff and sell it to petrochemical plants. The federal gov't objected even though it was none of their business. Their concern was that the remaining gas wouldn't have enough btu's to keep a house warm , ie - the eastern bastards would freeze. Klein was laughing at their ignorance.

This has clearly not happened. We have expanded those plants and your house is still warm.

thanks for the heads up...why did u assume I didn't know