Still no1? Despite serious surgery and no pre season Karlsson’s once again leading all D-men in ppg

[The S5]

Prove it with numbers and/or breakdown of his gameplay. I'll wait.

Keep waiting pal.
You can have an analytics circle jerk until the cows come home.
I know it must kill you to hear that a Swede isn't all he is cracked up to be.

 

[bert]

No, he is the best defenseman at scoring. He is a bad defender. You need some of both to be considered the best.

While he has been a very poor defender this season there is no argument. He is a very good defender when he is healthy. If you think otherwise you are a homer, have an agenda or dont understand the sport.

Take away his skating and ofcourse he is bad defensively. Thats his biggest strength.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

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First off, I'm an eye test guy not a MS Excel guy....I was giving you a chance to use any medium to prove your point, so you got nothing basically? Just as I thought. Thanks for letting everyone know you don't actually watch Erik Karlsson and/or actually comprehend what happens on the ice with him out there, or at all.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Great player, but he has never been the defenseman I would take #1. I don't have data, just seen him get schooled in his own zone too many times. He just doesn't make the same type of plays that Keith and Doughty do that don't show up on the stat sheet.

 

[The S5]

First off, I'm an eye test guy not a MS Excel guy....I was giving you a chance to use any medium to prove your point, so you got nothing basically? Just as I thought. Thanks for letting everyone know you don't actually watch Erik Karlsson and/or actually comprehend what happens on the ice with him out there, or at all.

Okay pal, you win, I know nothing. Happy?

 

[joe dirte]

Disagree. Better than most other offensive dmen over the years.

you're entitled to that opinion.

 

[Ainec]

gah dam the leafs fans on here hate karlsson

its cute

anyways the only dmen i might take ahead is hedman. funny how ppl say doughty

 

[Jixer19]

Yet, leading all Dmen in points per game

He is a top dman for sure, but this part isn't true, he doesn't lead in ppg.

Just wanted to let you know

 

[bert]

Great player, but he has never been the defenseman I would take #1. I don't have data, just seen him get schooled in his own zone too many times. He just doesn't make the same type of plays that Keith and Doughty do that don't show up on the stat sheet.

I doubt you have watched him very much then. He makes extremely elite plays defensively when he is on, anticipating using his stick etc.

 

[Lebowski]

Sens fans need people's attention for Karlsson the same way a teenage girl with a cellphone and a mirror craves likes on Facebook.

 

[Paul4587]

This season, no. Overall, he’s either best or right behind Hedman going forward.

 

[Machinehead]

He's not a bad defender. So many responses in this thread are just regurgitating memes.

That said, he hasn't been himself, especially earlier in the season.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

No, he is the best defenseman at scoring. He is a bad defender. You need some of both to be considered the best.

Exactly.

 

[Machinehead]

Keep waiting pal.
You can have an analytics circle jerk until the cows come home.
I know it must kill you to hear that a Swede isn't all he is cracked up to be.

-This particular poster knows enough about advanced stats to discuss them and gives them some credence, but it's far from an analytics circle jerk. I think the mentality that anyone who disagrees with you is just "looking at a spreadsheet" is entirely unhealthy.

-He's not Swedish

 

[RickP]

We'll have a better idea of his game, post surgery, next season. He was struggling at the start of this season, but he had excuses. Now he's getting better, but the games don't mean anything anymore, and the teams facing the Sens are hoping for an easy win. So we'll see next year how he performs. He will most likely bounce back, but we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Karlsson has some of the best suppression stats in the entire league and that's while lodging insane minutes. For those that bring up his goals against, there are five other players on the same team on the ice most of the time. Besides Ekholm, Spurgeon, Slavin, etc. who are well known as "shutdown Dman" also have noticeably poor goals against metrics as well. What does that say about them?

No one is touting them for best in the league, and none of them are going PPG to offset minuses. If you score nearly a point per game and are showing up as a net negative, it's fair to wonder what's up.

We'll have a better idea of his game, post surgery, next season. He was struggling at the start of this season, but he had excuses. Now he's getting better, but the games don't mean anything anymore, and the teams facing the Sens are hoping for an easy win. So we'll see next year how he performs. He will most likely bounce back, but we'll have to wait and see.

I think he'll bounce back. He's too good, smart, and driven not to.

But he's got competition. The idea that the default state is "EK is best in the league AINEC" based on only a sample size of one playoff is utter garbage and people clutching to selective memories.

 

[psycat]

If Crosby can maintain the epithet "the best player" for 10 years straight without actually being it for 50% of the time or so then yes, else no.

 

[Ben White]

He is a top dman for sure, but this part isn't true, he doesn't lead in ppg.

Just wanted to let you know

Who does? Someone who played 15- games?

 

[cgf]

Who does? Someone who played 15- games?

Tyson Barrie

 

[Ben White]

Tyson Barrie

Aight, by 0,01 ppg while playing 9 fewer games

 

[57special]

Karlsson has some of the best suppression stats in the entire league and that's while lodging insane minutes. For those that bring up his goals against, there are five other players on the same team on the ice most of the time. Besides Ekholm, Spurgeon, Slavin, etc. who are well known as "shutdown Dman" also have noticeably poor goals against metrics as well. What does that say about them?

Spurgeon is not just a "shutdown" defenseman. He's no Karlsson offensively, but does provide offense...he has 38 points already this year

 

[cgf]

Aight, by 0,01 ppg while playing 9 fewer games

True, but he's still played 55 games. So it's not exactly some nobody with 15 games *shrug*

 

[SotasicA]

Missing the option for: No, he never was.

 

[nobody]

My beer league teams have better defenseman than Erik Karlsson. They can't dream of dat offense though. Seriously, I've never seen a d-man get walked so routinely during every single game and yet receive 0 flak for it. Even the play by play guys have learned to ignore his defensive lapses because that's just what you have to give up for elite offense.

 

[jetsforever]

Not specifically this season but overall I'd still say so