Movies: Star Wars VIII The Last Jedi, for those who have seen it! (SPOILERS)

[Aladyyn]

Why? Same franchise, same developer. Or is it just the MMORG aspect?

Let's just say... it's not very popular among KOTOR fans...

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Spoiler

Best part was when Laura Dern kamikazed in Snoke's ship.

The issue I had with that is that it took her so long to do it. Ok, your initial plan to distract them failed and they found the escape shuttles. They’re blowing up the last of the resistance. You’re going to watch that happen for a while, and THEN go kamikaze.

Speaking of escape shuttles, how did the code breaker betray the Rebels to the First Order? He didn’t know about the plan to cloak the escape shuttles, because the only info that group (Finn, Rose, and himself) knew was what Po was feeding them. And Po didn’t know about the cloaked shuttles until after the betrayal.

 

[PBandJ]

And when TPM came out, everyone was excited, saying it was so good.

Exactly. Things balance out. TLJ is not anywhere near as bad as TPM or AoTC. Nowhere close. It's also not as good as Empire or A New Hope.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Exactly. Things balance out. TLJ is not anywhere near as bad as TPM or AoTC. Nowhere close. It's also not as good as Empire or A New Hope.

I think it's slightly better than TFA and just below the OT.

 

[quoipourquoi]

Question. Is it just me or is Oscar Isaac the most charismatic performance in the movie by a gap? It's not everybody's fault though: I don't think any other actor would deliver a notably better performance than Adam Driver in his turn, nor would someone "replacing" Hamill or Gleeson in their roles. Arguably others fit here too.

Just came to me as I was thinking about the film.

I was thinking Hamill and Driver over Isaac. I don't know that Ridley's and Boyega's roles in this one showcased them as well as Force Awakens did, because they came across as absolute stars in that one.

But for my money, Hamill had maybe the best or second-best performance to Ian McDiarmid in Revenge of the Sith.

 

[Spektre]

This is hands down the worst Star Wars movie to date imo. Disney has set the bar pretty high for episode 9. Maybe they can make a space chase scene last 2 hours in episode 9, admit ObiWan was indeed just a magician, Vader & the Emperor were really Jedi and not Sith, and Jar Jar will be the new main character.

Disney managed to take a big hippo dump on story telling, character development, and the Star Wars franchise all at the same time.

Anyone with free time can pick this movie apart. Even if I wasn't a long time fan going into this new trilogy it wouldn't make sense. It seems like the franchise dumbs down the movies as if most people seeing it will be 6-7 years old.

I won't go into every completely stupid detail but here are my biggest issues.

Luke Skywalker:

He was so powerful as a Jedi Padawan (basically) that he beat the chosen one (Vader) which brought down Palpatine. He got the taste of Palpatine's power when he got lit up like a Christmas tree. Yet he states in TLJ he's scared of the power he sees in Kylo and Rey. It makes no sense. So we're to believe Kylo and Rey blunder around with force and lightsaber skills like total newbies but they scared Luke more than Palpatine? For all their floundering around Luke couldn't beat either Kylo or Rey one on one? Really? This is after Luke becomes a Jedi master and one would hopefully assume is more powerful than when he was a Padawan. Right? Being a Jedi master doesn't Luke know that he's not even supposed to feel fear? How many times did Star Wars make it a point that fear leads to the dark side? Throw that out the dreadnaught window. I knew going into this new trilogy they would kill off Luke because hey you can't have Mark Hamill around forever. I get it. But holy batman butt plugs, he dies because he projected himself to another planet in an illusion? That makes total sense if you take the common core Jedi course.

Rey:

Luke doesn't know her. Leia doesn't know her. Han Solo didn't know her. Snoke didn't know her. It's not in episode 7 but in the Novel when Rey force grabs the lightsaber from the snow Kylo states "It is you.". Did he only know her through some force visions the same way she first saw him? Who knows? If Rey is indeed a nobody why does anyone care about her? How does being a nobody help her character in the Star Wars saga? JJ Abrams specifically said this about Kylo and Rey "“They’ve never met but he’s heard of this girl.”". That doesn't really fit with Kylo just having force visions of her before actually meeting her.

Snoke:

It might as well have been Jar Jar because his entire character is useless. The scene itself where he's killed is a cool scene it just doesn't make for a good story. It ends any questions anyone would want answered about him. Why would anyone care who he is or his entire backstory now? He's f'ing dead. For a super villain and someone supposed to be so powerful in the force he might as well have been a gimp on the throne. He couldn't sense the lightsaber turning? Good grief Snoke Brown.

Leia:

Why is she still alive? It makes literally zero sense. Good going Disney. Can’t wait to see her with the Superman cape in episode 9. Hopefully she has laser beam eyes to go along with the apparent ability to fly and survive deep space.


Captain Phasma:

Dead and another throw away villain. Why even have the character in the series? Just kill her in the first ever scene. Have some Storm Trooper milking some alien and some alien milk gets on the floor. Phasma walks by slips on the milk and falls face fist onto a porg. The porg's feathers fill every breathing hole and she dies from inhaling porg farts.


Kylo make up your mind and pick a side Ryn:


Is he a villain? Is he a good guy? Does he dye his hair? Who knows because he can't make up his mind on anything. I'm so glad they didn't force the much theorized Gray Jedi crap but if there was ever a good character for it this is the one. Just pick a side Kylo. At this point nobody cares which one other than Rey for some reason that can't be explained which is another borked up plot hole.


It would take a small novel to cover all the plot holes. It’s pretty bad that I won’t see any more Star Wars movies at the theatre. Just thinking about that seems bizarre but no thanks to this Disney crap.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This is hands down the worst Star Wars movie to date imo. Disney has set the bar pretty high for episode 9. Maybe they can make a space chase scene last 2 hours in episode 9, admit ObiWan was indeed just a magician, Vader & the Emperor were really Jedi and not Sith, and Jar Jar will be the new main character.

There is no way this movie is worse than TPM, AotC or even RotS

 

[Spektre]

There is no way this movie is worse than TPM, AotC or even RotS

The prequels have their flaws but nothing close to this cluster, imo. You’re entitled to your opinion but we could have a plot hole competition and see who has the highest number

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

There is no way this movie is worse than TPM, AotC or even RotS

It is hands down worse than RotS. Disney killed Star Wars, the end. I'm sure the casual viewers somewhat enjoy this Marvel esque franchise now, but to real fans it's dead.

 

[Warden of the North]

Just got out.

I still dont buy that Rey's parents are nobodies.

More thoughts when Ive collected them.

Edit - I dont know how anyone got that Ren still needs to choose a side. He kills his master as those who follow the darkside do, then tries to kill Luke. Theres no conflict at all there ans doubt hes bad.

 

[Pilky01]

I don't get the negative Marvel comparisons because the Marvel movies are great and get pretty universal praise. Fans and critics weren't split on Thor: Ragnarok, or The Avengers.

If the Marvel movies were like this then Tony Stark and Captain America would be long dead, Spider-Man's intro would have had him go on a pointless fetch quest to Wakanda, and the plot of The Winter Soldier would have never happened because Nick Fury would have steadfastly refused to share Shield's plan with his subordinate Steve Rogers.

 

[Tawnos]

FFS, it’s not a space chase. It’s a siege.

 

[Tawnos]

The prequels have their flaws but nothing close to this cluster, imo. You’re entitled to your opinion but we could have a plot hole competition and see who has the highest number

You’re going to have to wait until after IX comes out before you know what’s a plot hole and what’s not.

 

[johnjm22]

The prequels have their flaws but nothing close to this cluster, imo. You’re entitled to your opinion but we could have a plot hole competition and see who has the highest number

The Last Jedi sucked, but it can't possibly be as bad as Attack of The Clones. Nothing in TLJ is as bad as the romantic scenes between in Anakin and Padme in AOTC. It's like those scenes were written by someone who's never had sex before.

 

[Zamuz]

Just got out.

I still dont buy that Rey's parents are nobodies.

Agreed, Rey looked for answers in the cave and also the conversation between Kylo & Rey was a lot about her parents. Why would there be put this much effort for the parent case if they are nobodies. (unless writers thought audience needs a clear answer sooner or later)

When Rey is as strong as she is, her parents can't be nobodies IMO.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Just got done seeing it for the second time in 24 hours

I thought it was good overall but had some issues

The whole casino arc was easily the worst in the movie. And the shot at the end of the kid in the stable was unnecessary, I get what they were going for but it seemed forced

I had issues with them glossing over certain things I thought was deemed important, like Snoke’s backstory, Rey’s parents, and more specifically the Knights of Ren (I assume we see them in episode 9)

I thought the throne scene was great though. Luke projecting his image was cool, and Yoda returning was awesome.

Not sure how they’ll handle Carrie Fisher but we’ll have to wait and see I guess

I would say this is probably right there with the Force Awakens for me

 

[Warden of the North]

OK, thoughts

Luke - Didnt like the first third of the movie Luke. After the Yoda scene he was fine, and I totally bought into Force Projection Luke at the end. That was the Luke Skywalker I was looking for. I was surprised they killed him off, however its pretty clear he'll be back as a Force ghost (more on those later)

Leia - I thought I had read that they post-filming found a way to remove her from the series. Well apparently I mis remembered. She should have died, instead of the Superman flight back to safety. I dont know how they will remove the character now that Fisher is gone (RIP). I suppose they dont have to kill of the character.

Rey - As I said above, I dont buy that her parents are "nobodies". Too much went into her parents in TFA for that to be true. Ren said it to throw her off. She is also very clearly extraordinarily powerful. One though I had, and I dont particularly like it, is that she'll be a midichlorian baby like Anakin. It would fit the narrative that her parents weren't really her parents. The connection she has with Ren indicates something far more then just simple force users.

Ren - Hes bad a dude. i dont know how theres any confusion here. He manipulated Rey and Snoke and killed his master, as all those who follow the dark side attempt to do eventually. Hes gone to the Dark side. My biggest gripe with Ren is that they still havent explained what the Knights of Ren are (besides that they're most likely the students he took with him when he destroyed the academy).It would have been cool to have the Praetorian Guard have been the Knights of Ren.

Yoda - A welcome addition. Really enjoyed his part in the film. Are we seeing an advancement in Force Ghost abilities in that he was still able to manipulate the force from beyond the grave? Has he "become more powerful then we can possibly imagine"? Regardless, I think its pretty clear we're going to get powerful Force Ghost Luke in IX.

General thoughts - I dont like how the First Order just shrugged off the loss of Starkiller Base like nothing happened. I still dont like how the Resistance (or is now the Rebellion?) is like 17 X-wings who can seemingly destroy anything they want and the First Order has all these huge capital ships but only like 7 TIEs and have like 4 cannons to defend them with. Was happy to see an A-Wing in the first battle. Really like the visuals of the speeders kicking up the red dust. Chewie cooking the porg was fantastic

All in all, I think I liked TFA better, however there wasnt any scenes as jarringly out of place as the Raathtaar(sp?) scene in TFA. Its not close to Empire though, I dont know how people can say that.

Main line movies in order of my preference

ANH
ESB
TFA
ROTJ
TLJ
ROTS
AOTC
TPM

 

[Spektre]

You’re going to have to wait until after IX comes out before you know what’s a plot hole and what’s not.

I understand where you’re coming from but it’s simply not true.

I’ll give you one because honestly I’ve picked the movie apart in my thoughts so much that it feels like I’m playing a video game vs a 3 year old.

From the opening scene of TFA to almost the last, the main plot is finding Luke. Luke himself left this crazy map for people to find him. In TLJ this entire plot is destroyed by Luke. In TLJ he reveals he’s in hiding to die and end the Jedi order. He’s a complete coward. This fact is completely contradictory to leaving a f’ing map to find his own location for others to find.

Unless you want to Kevin Bacon 3rd degree this by saying Luke left the map intentionally in TFA so he could be found by a chosen nobody only to tell her he’s there to die only to fake her and the entire audience out knowing he will die at the end of the TLJ so he can force ghost in episode 9 and be the difference for Rey and complete his grand scheme. ..... That theory is about as much of a stretch as that hella long sentence....

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

And the shot at the end of the kid in the stable was unnecessary, I get what they were going for but it seemed forced

I liked it because I think IX will take place years later. The Resistance has been reduced to a dozen people so I think it will have to take place a few years down the road, with the FO repressing the galaxy factions will finally band together with Rey and the Resistance, which they brought up no one wanted to do. The kid, who was a slave, was given the Resistance ring so I think he, among others, will form Reys Merry Men to fight the Knights of Ren

Basically I like the scene because I think its showing us the start of the rebuild. If ends up being a throwaway scene then its crap

This movie, obviously having to be a bit different, should of been how the trilogy started

 

[Tawnos]

I understand where you’re coming from but it’s simply not true.

I’ll give you one because honestly I’ve picked the movie apart in my thoughts so much that it feels like I’m playing a video game vs a 3 year old.

From the opening scene of TFA to almost the last, the main plot is finding Luke. Luke himself left this crazy map for people to find him. In TLJ this entire plot is destroyed by Luke. In TLJ he reveals he’s in hiding to die and end the Jedi order. He’s a complete coward. This fact is completely contradictory to leaving a f’ing map to find his own location for others to find.

Unless you want to Kevin Bacon 3rd degree this by saying Luke left the map intentionally in TFA so he could be found by a chosen nobody only to tell her he’s there to die only to fake her and the entire audience out knowing he will die at the end of the TLJ so he can force ghost in episode 9 and be the difference for Rey and complete his grand scheme. ..... That theory is about as much of a stretch as that hella long sentence....

It’s simple really. If he truly wanted to die, he could’ve offed himself at any time.

He didn’t REALLY want to die. Just like he didn’t REALLY want the Jedi order to end. Of course he left a trail.

The possibility that Luke was self-deluding never occurred to you?

 

[Spektre]

It’s simple really. If he truly wanted to die, he could’ve offed himself at any time.

He didn’t REALLY want to die. Just like he didn’t REALLY want the Jedi order to end. Of course he left a trail.

The possibility that Luke was self-deluding never occurred to you?

So you’re going with the Kevin Bacon 3rd degree theory, got it.

 

[Tawnos]

So you’re going with the Kevin Bacon 3rd degree theory, got it.

I think you mean 6 degrees?

Also, nothing that convoluted. All I’m saying is that he left a trail subconsciously. Not for anyone it particular. Just a trail. The guy left over intense feelings of guilt. People who feel guilt that intensely are often self-deluded. He doesn’t purposely fake anyone out and he doesn’t know that he will think any different. Yoda sets him straight.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

It's also possible that he left the map when he left, then after spending some time alone on the island (basically brooding over his mistake), he came to the conclusion that the Jedi order must end and he has to die alone.

 

[Tawnos]

It's also possible that he left the map when he left, then after spending some time alone on the island (basically brooding over his mistake), he came to the conclusion that the Jedi order must end and he has to die alone.

Yes true. Long periods of isolation are well known to work wonders for sound reasoning (sarcasm, of course)

Another good, solid and simple way to look at it that doesn’t involve it being a “plot hole.”

 

[Spektre]

I think you mean 6 degrees?

Also, nothing that convoluted. All I’m saying is that he left a trail subconsciously. Not for anyone it particular. Just a trail. The guy left over intense feelings of guilt. People who feel guilt that intensely are often self-deluded. He doesn’t purposely fake anyone out and he doesn’t know that he will think any different. Yoda sets him straight.

I’m thinking that’s how you are rationalizing the plot to yourself instead of taking it at face value. Abrams being the director in TFA setup plots how he saw fit. Johnson directing TLJ didn’t have to fulfill all of Abrams’ designs. It’s no different than any other company. When new management comes in they’re going to do something to make sure their new stamp is on the product.