Prospect Info: Stanislav Galiev

[RandyHolt]

Offense dries up every year.... Well said Langer

Stan may well thrive in a properly structured 5 on 5 attack. Trotz wants him to wear down Dmen to score goals playing with the grinderz. It's not him and we all know that. It should surprise no one, that it didn't happen for him in his paltry TOI on 4 in a handful of games. With offensive has beens Laich and then Richards setting him up....

Setting him up to fail.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Players do get better and some have slower development curves than others but all evidence IMO points to Galiev being just a guy. He competed last year when he had a chance, kept his feet moving and all that which ought to endear him to the coaches. But he's a fringe player all-around. Talent only accounts for so much and more talented players have bounced around the league and generally not solidified into steady NHLers.

He's gotten better but he's still a pretty questionable scoring-line player. He's someone that should have been flipped for a pick already if they had a stronger developmental system in place. It's decent but it's pretty one dimensional in being so predominantly old school. If they did a better job of refining hockey sense, passing and overall offensive crispness he'd be a lot more attractive than a skilled guy predominantly being schooled on how to grind and win more one-on-one battles. It's part of the reason why I'm not sold on Vrana eventually developing into as dynamic a player as he could be. It's also largely why the offense dries up every year 5-on-5 without any real examination as to why that may be.

You really believe the Caps are not even looking at why their 5-5 scoring dries up? I think they look at it quite closely. Fixing it is another story.

On Stan, he has the talent, but talent only gets you so far. Hb11 seems to indicate an issue with French keeping him out of the lineup rather than it all being on the player.

In his one full AHL season he had success, him being a late bloomer prevented what would have likely been a valuable 2nd AHL season. On a win-now roster, he's barely going to get time to continue his development without a major injury.

This year will be interesting. He's still a RFA after this year. Wonder what the Caps do?

 

[Langway]

You really believe the Caps are not even looking at why their 5-5 scoring dries up? I think they look at it quite closely. Fixing it is another story.

If they understand the problem fully but can't fix it that's probably even worse. I get the sense listening to Trotz that he basically doesn't have answers in that area and will revert back to long-running form. It's depth that they believe will make a difference rather than strategy. That may not be wrong but without strategic improvements it may still not be enough.

This year will be interesting. He's still a RFA after this year. Wonder what the Caps do?

Unless he plays in 54 NHL games next year he'll qualify as a Group VI UFA. While it's nice being on an NHL roster and getting the paycheck he needs game to develop and likely would do that better elsewhere at this point. If he doesn't make a serious case for 3RW they might as well waive him, esp. if their Hershey options are strong and they have a more versatile extra forward option. He's cheap and seems coachable but it's still hard to see the path for him here.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I can pretty much promise you they've analyzed their troubles to death and just haven't been able to fix it.

That you're saying Trotz will revert to form because he doesn't know better scares me. It makes me question Ownership's true goals. If your GM knows that he and or his Head Coach (and his assistants) can't come up with an effective post season scheme, yet he lets the team continue down the path they're on, to likely ultimate failure, but regular season success and sellouts, it tells me the business model matters more to Leonsis than winning a Cup.

That's said I don't belive that Trotz and company and GMBM cant work out a more effective system, or positive tweaks to the existing. I believe their issue is not having the right mix of players with heart and skill who can tighten their belts and get it done when it matters.

Where's our Messier? If Ovy is our Great One, are our 2nd tier guys the ones to push them over the edge? It appears they're not even close.

Interesting on Stan (likely) being an UFA after this year. Very little chance he meets the games played minimum.

If he doesn't show more in camp, you may be right about cutting ties if someone from Hershey can make a push. Right now he's simply being used as cheap injury insurance. The next guy they put in his spot may not be any different.

 

[Langway]

If your GM knows that he and or his Head Coach (and his assistants) can't come up with an effective post season scheme, yet he lets the team continue down the path they're on, to likely ultimate failure, but regular season success and sellouts, it tells me the business model matters more to Leonsis than winning a Cup.

Look no further than the Wizards for proof of just how much organizational ******** Leonsis will tolerate/support. I think they truly believe better depth and some maturation from their younger guys will make the difference. Overall, I'd agree that longer-term stability and "staying on plan" is far more important than any sense of urgency towards developing excellence.

MacLellan does want more team speed and execution but it's still likely to be weakened if not downright punted by Trotz ultimately. If the issue is the players then there should be far more player movement, esp. as some of the same support players require raises to more or less UFA market price like 90.

It's inevitable in any well run org. that as time passes players will close the gap on those that aren't progressing. Galiev might be a bit more pro-ready now from physical and defensive standpoints but if he's otherwise gaining limited comfort in playing the game it's limited in scope. In his defense somewhat, it's not easy trying to stand out with such little flow and shoddy team possession play. Better team-wide habits make it easier on everyone yet despite all of their culture change claptrap that seems as vexing as ever.

 

[Hivemind]

In his one full AHL season he had success, him being a late bloomer prevented what would have likely been a valuable 2nd AHL season. On a win-now roster, he's barely going to get time to continue his development without a major injury.

This year will be interesting. He's still a RFA after this year. Wonder what the Caps do?

His success in his one full AHL year wasn't even all that impressive. 45 points in 67 games (46 in 72 if you count the playoffs) for a 23 year old is nothing to write home about. Look at some fellow 2010 draftees in the AHL in the same season. Jordan Weal had 69 points in 73 games (and 22 in 19 playoff games). Teemu Pulkinnen had 61 points in 46 games (and 18 in 16 playoff games). At this point, both of those guys are fringe NHLers. Weal likely won't ever become more than a AHL All-Star, and Pulkinnen is running out of time in Detroit as he struggles to have his powerplay-oriented skillset translate into the NHL.

More concerning is how much of that success was the result of the powerplay. He wasn't a huge scoring presence at even-strength, and even as a powerplay specialist he was in a role he's never going to have full-time at the NHL level (Ovechkin's spot).

If Galiev had the all-around game of a Kuhnackl or Rust, I could consider him a possible late bloomer. But his game is rather limited, and he has yet to show the ability to be a key member of a scoring line. There are plenty of other guys with similar talent levels who never end up making it in the NHL. Joey Hishon is another 2010 draftee with a similar story of limited AHL development, almost identical AHL point/game numbers in past couple years, and appeal as a powerplay specialist. Hishon doesn't look out of place in the NHL either, but Colorado isn't penciling him into any of their future plans because they realize they have assets with a better chance of being legitimate NHLers in their system.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Galiev is a bum, always was, always will.


Signed,

Hivemind

 

[Hivemind]

Galiev is a bum, always was, always will.


Signed,

Hivemind

You can actually see my posts quite to the contrary early in this thread. As I mentioned a few posts back, you can watch my opinion of him decline as time progresses and Galiev's development stagnates.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Would you consider that backpedaling?

 

[Hivemind]

Would you consider that backpedaling?

No. These posts are months/years apart and are based on the acquisition of new knowledge/further development of Galiev, not the rhetoric of another poster.