Stacked Team A vs Stacked Team B

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In a 7 game series all at their peaks who wins?

Poll closed Mar 27, 2018.
  1. A

    68.4%
  2. B

    31.6%
  1. authentic

    authentic Registered User

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    In a 7 game series all at their peaks who wins?



    A


    Ovechkin-Gretzky-Kurri
    Datsyuk-Malkin-Fedorov
    Messier-Forsberg-Bure
    Bergeron-Thornton-Kopitar

    Coffey-Bourque
    Pronger-Doughty
    Niedermayer-Stevens

    Hasek
    Rask

    Vs.

    B

    Sakic-Lemieux-Jagr
    Zetterberg-Crosby-Yzerman
    Kariya-Lindros-Selanne
    Toews-McDavid-Kesler

    Karlsson-Lidstrom
    Potvin-Keith
    Leetch-Chelios

    Roy
    Quick
     
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  2. KoozNetsOff 92

    KoozNetsOff 92 Hala Madrid

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    Ovechkin > Kariya
    Gretzky > Lemieux
    Kurri < Jagr
    Datsyuk > Zetterberg
    Malkin = Crosby
    Fedorov >= Yzerman
    Messier >= Sakic
    Forsberg = Lindros
    Bure = Selanne
    Bergeron = Toews
    Thornton < McDavid (projected)
    Kopitar > Kesler

    Coffey = Karlsson
    Bourque > Lidstrom
    Pronger > Potvin
    Doughty =< Keith
    Niedermayer < Leetch
    Stevens = Chelios

    Hasek > Roy

    Team A. Both teams have skill, goal scoring, etc. But other than Lindros and Potvin I don't see any one on team B who's going to physically intimidate team A who have Messier, Pronger, Stevens and OV who can all dish out some major punishment. When skill, speed, etc are so close I see that as the "tie breaker". And Gretzky.
     
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  3. ColoradoCanes

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    Other than the 1st line, Team B has A beat as far as forwards go. On d Team B has the better 1st pair, but A has the better 2nd and 3rd pairs. A wins for goalies.

    I'll go B by a sliver.
     
  4. Elf

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    Breaking up Selanne and Kariya is absolute blasphemy.

    Went with team A.
     
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    Ryan Kesler seems out of place here
     
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  6. dim jim

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    Peak Kesler was top 5 in the NHL in goals and won the Selke trophy.

    Peak Kesler is right there with peak Kopitar, Toews and Bergeron

    Kesler also played with Mason Raymond and Mikel Samuelsson in his peak, which are significantly worse linemates than peak Toews (Hossa and Saad) and peak Bergeron (Hart caliber Marchand)

    I’m super bored so let’s actuallg break down Kesler in 2011 vs Bergeron this year

    They have pretty much identical CFRel%’s while Kesler actually played in tougher deployment (~60% Ozone start % vs ~50%)

    I know the narrative was Kesled scores a lot on the power play that year but he did score 23 even strength goals which is as many as Daniel Sedin who won the art ross trophy that year.

    Bergeron has 34 even strength points in 55 games playing with a Hart candidate and another PPG winger. Kesler had 39 points in 82 games.

    So throughout the season Bergeron would average ~10 more even strength points than Kesler. Which is quite a bit but when you factor in the vast discrepancy in QOT it certainly explains the gap.

    Kesler was top 5 in the NHL in goals which is a tremendous feet for a guy who’s primary job was to shut down other teams players, the Sedins were given 70% offensive zone starts and tasked to be the teams offensive line.

    I think looking at all context you’re looking at two pretty similar seasons.

    Kesler also had a great year in 2009/2010 where he actually didn’t even play with the Sedins on the PP.

    He has 47 even strength points that year again playing with Raymond and Samuelsson started only 44% of his shifts in the offensive zone and again his CF% was pretty much identical to what Bergeron’s is right now.

    Peak Kesler was a ****ing beast, his body broke down and he was never the same after 2011 when he tore his hip labrum.
     
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    Peak Lemieux vs Any opposition =
    [​IMG]
     
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  8. authentic

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    Lol switch Kariya and Sakic if you wish.
     
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    Team A''s 4th line takes a dump on team B's chest.
     
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    Peak Roy says team B wins in a 7 game series.
     
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    Team A
     
  12. bobholly39

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    Hard to vote against Gretzky honestly. Even if someone feels Lemieux at peak is as good or better - Gretzky has a certain clutch factor unique to him. He always stood out as the best player/scorer in every tournament he played in.

    I prefer Roy to hasek
    And I prefer team B's center depth. But I think I'd pick team A for Gretzky alone tbh.
     
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    This isn't a regular playoff series. It's more of an all star game. Don't think goalies stand out that much here tbh.
     
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    why is Selanne & Kariya separated?

    voted Team A because clearly Team B has a horrible coach
     
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    Peak Lemieux, Sakic, Lindros and I get peak Lidstrom and Karlsson???!!

    B easy
     
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    Datsyuk-Bergeron-Kopitar with Pronger-Stevens backing them up and Hasek in net. Go ahead and score on that.
     
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    Not really. Pretty comparable.
     
  18. Apotheosis

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    Don't know how you vote against team A here.
     
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    D core on team b is much better. Forwards are a wash.

    The question for me is in game 7 is Patty Roy on the road or at home. Because my pick flip flops depending on the situation.

    Also Mario owns Ray that's a bad beat for team A.
     
  20. mikeyp24

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    Team 2 every day 30 times on sunday. Only request let me please please please trade Crosby for Ovi. We will give up a lifetime of 1st rounders. Thanks.
     
  21. Sayonara77

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    Uh no he doesn't. He belongs there.
     
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    Team A for me.

    I don't think he was quite there, mostly because I don't think he quite could drive the offense to the same extent.

    Good player though, probably underrated in general.

    That's the part of B I prefer over A.
     
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    Whatever you say . . .
     
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    Surprised you didn’t put Orr on any roster.

    Went with B. Peak Lemieux, Crosby, Lindros, and McDavid as your centres? Yes, please.
     
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    Yeah that's a big reason I'm surprised this is such a blowout, along with them also having the better overall defense core.

    I didn't include Orr because any team that had Lemieux or Gretzky + Orr would've been the obvious choice when the rest of the teams are this close.
     
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