GDT: Spidey's On Fire! Panthers @ Devils, 7 PM, MSG+

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

Henrique and Zajac led forwards in ice time. Very bizarre.

Did you watch the game? Not busting balls, honest question. Personally, I thought early on Zajac was one of the very few players to have any legs tonight. He looked better than he has the last couple games. Henrique too, he seemed to have at least a little bit more jump. Granted, it didn’t take much as the team was beyond flat those first 40 minutes.

 

[Billdo]

I wouldn’t go that far.

Which part? That he’s been bad most of the year, which is a bit exaggerated I’ll give you that, or the 0 LDs in the pipeline?

 

[Zippy316]

Greene and Severson were out there for 8 goals for and 5 goals against. And while their PDO was 104, it was their shooting % that was raising that as they had a 0.88 save %.

I'm not arguing for or against the pairing. I'm just putting some facts out there to show that they weren't completely dominated. No matter what we have a bad defense core right now and Greene is fading before our eyes.

Where are you getting these numbers by the way? I've had trouble finding a good site since hockey analysis was shut down.

When matching up against top lines, I'm way more concerned about quality than quantity. Obviously, Santini's quantity is a bit ridiculous, but his usage is equally ridiculous. At the same time, Santini does a good job of protecting the slot, forcing the play to the points, and boxing out defenders from in front.

 

[Bologna 1]

There wouldn't have been a crunch time without Schneider.

But there was a crunch time and he didn't perform. Even look at hynes quote in which he included coaching and goaltending in the list of what didn't show up tonight (basically everything)

 

[glenwo2]

This is exactly what they sound like. They are BRUTAL!

And by the way, my historical gaffe on Teddy Roosevelt being the president during prohibition, was a very intentional gaffe on my part. Denis doesn't know who the president was during prohibition, nor does he even remember that he wasn't even alive for either of the two Roosevelt president's tenure's, nor prohibition, let alone playing in the NHL during those era's in history.

I'm tempted to put up Al Trautwig's Brutal Call but that's more to make fun of the Rags.

So I'll put this up instead for the hell of it :

 

[Cheddabombs]

Where are you getting these numbers by the way? I've had trouble finding a good site since hockey analysis was shut down.

When matching up against top lines, I'm way more concerned about quality than quantity. Obviously, Santini's quantity is a bit ridiculous, but his usage is equally ridiculous. At the same time, Santini does a good job of protecting the slot, forcing the play to the points, and boxing out defenders from in front.

corsica.hockey

And I agree, to an extent. Of course I agree in quality over quantity but to a certain point the Greene and Santini pair just get hemmed in shift after shift it seems. I get that they're going up against top competition night after night and they're bound to spend a lot of time in the defensive end but at a certain point, if they're the top pair, they need to be better at countering. And that's our problem, they're our top pair. Santini is still so young and learning the game, Greene is clearly on the decline. They're getting trounced and it's really not their fault, it's just our depth.

We saw the same thing with our forwards in years past where mediocre guys were expected to carry the load and failed to put up many points.

 

[Cult of Hynes]

Did you watch the game? Not busting balls, honest question. Personally, I thought early on Zajac was one of the very few players to have any legs tonight. He looked better than he has the last couple games. Henrique too, he seemed to have at least a little bit more jump. Granted, it didn’t take much as the team was beyond flat those first 40 minutes.

So instead of looking like a flaming bag of shit that was stomped out, he looked like shit.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm tempted to put up Al Trautwig's Brutal Call but that's more to make fun of the Rags.

So I'll put this up instead for the hell of it :

Now that's Denis Potvin's playing era!

I text back and forth with a guy who's a friend of a good friend's family, he's a Devils fan also. He's about an hour or 75 minutes south of me in Bradenton Beach. He was stuck with these two tonight also, and said he enjoys listening to Denis Potvin, as Denis is 5 years younger than him and makes him feel so young still. Then he says on the other hand, Potvin makes him feel like he's due to lose his mind at any moment, since Denis is 5 years younger and lost his mind at least a decade ago.

 

[Zippy316]

corsica.hockey

And I agree, to an extent. Of course I agree in quality over quantity but to a certain point the Greene and Santini pair just get hemmed in shift after shift it seems. I get that they're going up against top competition night after night and they're bound to spend a lot of time in the defensive end but at a certain point, if they're the top pair, they need to be better at countering. And that's our problem, they're our top pair. Santini is still so young and learning the game, Greene is clearly on the decline. They're getting trounced and it's really not their fault, it's just our depth.

We saw the same thing with our forwards in years past where mediocre guys were expected to carry the load and failed to put up many points.

I posted shot heat maps in the other thread. Paints a similar picture to what we're discussing. I just think bitching about Santini being in that role is dumb. He's there because he is the best worst option.

Santini plays the mitigating role. Protect the house, force the play to the outside, tie up his man and box him out in front, and make guys pay for getting close to the front of the net. Majority of the shots come from the point but Santini does a good job of allowing the goalies to see the puck.

Severson pushes the play up the ice better yet is prone to allowing higher quality chances. His numbers don't look to be too alarming, but Severson's problem seems to be mental. Once he starts struggling, it compounds and better players take advantage of that.

Ideally, you try to ease Severson into that role, but the same people that advocate for that will then be irate when Hynes limits his minutes and/or benches him when he's struggling.

 

[glenwo2]

Now that's Denis Potvin's playing era!

I text back and forth with a guy who's a friend of a good friend's family, he's a Devils fan also. He's about an hour or 75 minutes south of me in Bradenton Beach. He was stuck with these two tonight also, and said he enjoys listening to Denis Potvin, as Denis is 5 years younger than him and makes him feel so young still. Then he says on the other hand, Potvin makes him feel like he's due to lose his mind at any moment, since Denis is 5 years younger and lost his mind at least a decade ago.

As an aside, I watched the Gong Show just hoping to see Gene the Dancing Machine. lol.

Of course the similarities between that show and the Devils tonight couldn't be more different :

The Devils were NOT entertaining and were a Gong Show tonight.

The Gong Show show is entertaining.

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

So instead of looking like a flaming bag of **** that was stomped out, he looked like ****.

Tough crowd lol. He still has a long way to go, that’s for sure. I’m going to cut him some slack though. He’s jumping into a season that’s in full swing. 15 or so games under his belt and he’ll be much better I think.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I still love our rookies.

 

[regulahbread]

At least they made it a game. The effort tonight is nothing to be proud of and is unacceptable but in years past this is a game they lose by 3 or 4.

 

[NJDevs26]

Greene-Severson was orders of magnitude better than Greene-Santini though. Greene-Santini is one of the least effective pairing in the NHL.

Greene-Severson also wasn't deployed the same way (particularly last year) as Greene-Santini, or Greene-Larsson two years ago. I'm all for giving Greene-Severson another try as the top pairing but by the same token I don't really want to waste Severson in what's essentially a one-dimensional shutdown role with the way the pairings are used by this staff. In a way I'd rather have a one-dimensional guy like Santini play a one-dimensional role. Besides it's silly to rag on Santini tonight when it was Greene who was directly responsible for both goals.

The better argument is do they really have the personnel to play one pairing in a pure shutdown role if Greene's just going to be a borderline top four guy at this point (and same with Santini for that matter)?

 

[Better Call Sal]

Nico with a nice little 3 game point streak.

8 points in his last 9 games. Kid's looking good out there!

 

[My3Sons]

corsica.hockey

And I agree, to an extent. Of course I agree in quality over quantity but to a certain point the Greene and Santini pair just get hemmed in shift after shift it seems. I get that they're going up against top competition night after night and they're bound to spend a lot of time in the defensive end but at a certain point, if they're the top pair, they need to be better at countering. And that's our problem, they're our top pair. Santini is still so young and learning the game, Greene is clearly on the decline. They're getting trounced and it's really not their fault, it's just our depth.

We saw the same thing with our forwards in years past where mediocre guys were expected to carry the load and failed to put up many points.

And with a small amount of patience, Castron, and a few Shero specials, the forwards were fixed. I’m confident they’ll develop something on the back end in the next two years.

 

[Bleedred]

Is the PBP guy the same guy it’s been for like the last 7 years?

If I remember correctly it was the 06/07 season. I used to tape all those mid 2000s games and I remember the Panthers changing their PBP guy the 2nd year after the lockout.

edit: it seems even Panthers fans can't stand him and would rather listen to our broadcast.

I wanted to go back to this because I just now remembered. Jeff Rimer, who is now the Blue Jackets play by play guy, was the Panthers PBP guy for a long time. He did the Capitals when I was a kid, that's how long he's been around.

I don't remember if he's been with the Blue Jackets since their inception or if it was right after the 05 lockout. I remember Dave Strader, who just passed away a couple months back, was the Panther PBP guy before Goldstein was. I wasn't living here yet, when Strader or Rimer was working there.

 

[Bleedred]

Did you watch the game? Not busting balls, honest question. Personally, I thought early on Zajac was one of the very few players to have any legs tonight. He looked better than he has the last couple games. Henrique too, he seemed to have at least a little bit more jump. Granted, it didn’t take much as the team was beyond flat those first 40 minutes.

Of course he watches the games. He just started tuning in a couple weeks back, just in time for Zajac's arrival. You rarely saw him around here before that.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Predictable no show effort IMO.
Yes, 3 in 4 and 7 in 12 was a factor.

However, it's not the entire reason why the NJD disappointed their home fans in attendance and others watching on TV.

They simply got beat by a hungrier team that even with a weaker record has some guys with talent and puck skills.

The Devils are not good enough to coast and go at half speed for much of the game.

They got their butts kicked, the close score does not reflect how badly they were outplayed.

Cory kept it from being a landslide in the 1st.

Good thing they get a few days off to recharge but they always lose in Denver so I'm not expecting anything Friday night. The mile high excuse got old a few years back.

They needed to bank points tonight before the road trip.
It's one game but it's the type of lackluster team flop that will make fans not trust them.

 

[Camille the Eel]

I understand the criticism of our defense in general, but all three goals were scored against us off the rush tonight. Same as the last two goals in Detroit were scored off the rush. Mostly because we turn the puck over at the other club's blue line and they are all over us on a counterattack.

That was tonight's game winner; nasty by Corey but also the play started with us turning the puck over in the exact same spot as we turned it over for the 2d goal in Detroit on Saturday. Exact same spot.

Corey is at his most vulnerable off the rush. On shots from the high slot it seems his positioning doesn't stop those shots and his glove is slow. They beat him over the glove regularly. In the shoot0ut against Boston he got beat that side a few times that resulted in hit posts, but he got beat. Boston beat him when they started shooting the puck, yep from the high slot. He should have had Barkov's goal tonight. He certainly should have had that last one. Maybe he was screened on Trocheck's but still you want a top notch goalie to stop that shot. (When you're lucky to be tied you can't afford to give up those goals).

Zacha looked good on the wing with Hall and Nico in the third period.

What a crappy loss. Bound to happen some time. Don't make it a habit.

 

[Devils Dominion]

At least they made it a game. The effort tonight is nothing to be proud of and is unacceptable but in years past this is a game they lose by 3 or 4.

A loss is a loss.
Putrid effort tonight, though 7 in 12 is not easy especially when every game is basically a nail biter.

We had 3 in 4 while FLA had more rest coming in.

But still a terrible job by the Devils tonight.
Hopefully veteran leadership in that locker room nip this in the bud.

 

[Patrik26]

Just got home from the game. That's 2 hours and 40 minutes of ones life that can never be gotten back. That's all I have.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I was at the game. First two periods were the worst hockey I've ever witnessed live. Corey kept them in it but honestly Florida looked like they weren't all that interested in taking advantage of the Devils absolutely horrendous play. Team was much better in the third, but of course, Cory gives up at least one softy at the most critical of times. This is why quality goaltending is not all about numbers. A true elite goalie shuts the door when his team has clawed their way back to tie it (twice) in a game. Just not good enough. I'm not trying to blame the loss squarely on Schneider but I'm tired of the "top 5 goalie" talk. It's just not true. He's an average goalie getting paid $6 mil a year.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I fully expect them to be extra motivated on Friday and the rest will help a lot as well

 

[Wingman77]

Cory was frustrating tonight . After the barrage of shots he saw the first two periods, he made some key stops, yet the goals let in weren't exactly the toughest of shots. Oh well, on to the next.