Special Teams Report Cards 2017/18

[JetsFan815]

I went back and looked at PK stats for all teams since the 2009-2010 season to look at the rate of unblocked shot attempts given up. And of all teams since 09-10 the 2017 Jets are literally dead last in unblocked shot attempts given up/hour and other than the Panthers of this year, it's not even close. That's a remarkable feat considering how bad some teams have been since 2009 (think the "tanking for McEichel" Sabres and Yotes).

We are in unprecedented territory here, not only in the history of Jets but also in the history of NHL since the NHL started recording missed shots. It is not a question of personnel, this is a coaching and systems issue.

One of the reasons why many here remain skeptical of the Jets coaching staff inspite of the wins.

 

[Evil Little]

I never thought Wheeler was terrible on the PP, just never thought much of him as a static player along the half wall.

The movement on the PP the Jets are using lately has been fantastic, Wheeler has been excellent. Maurice has made great improvements here.

I'd rather not see Lowry back out there though.

I certainly wasn't singling you out; there are those who have wanted him off the first unit entirely.

 

[CaptainChef]

I'm not going to disagree but the post I responded to implied that the coaching staff isn't even aware there is a problem. I don't for a second believe that is a true statement which is why I responded the way I did.

I think PK is an area this team needs to improve and it's also an area they should be capable of a big improvement

And I'm not calling them idiots either, but if something isn't working, and it hasn't worked for years (ie, the passive defensive scheme on the PK) yet you keep employing such a strategy, .... well there's other words for this than idiotic, but its one of the terms that comes to mind.

 

[CaptainChef]

And I'm not calling them idiots either, but if something isn't working, and it hasn't worked for years (ie, the passive defensive scheme on the PK) yet you keep employing such a strategy, .... well there's other words for this than idiotic, but its one of the terms that comes to mind.

 

[Aavco Cup]

And I'm not calling them idiots either, but if something isn't working, and it hasn't worked for years (ie, the passive defensive scheme on the PK) yet you keep employing such a such a strategy, .... well there's other words for this than idiotic, but its one of the terms that comes to mind.

I was suggesting the coaching staff don't think everything is rosy and there will be changes. They attempted some changes to start the season and it didn't work that well. Your post suggested they don't even see they have a problem. Maurice in his presser today acknowledged exactly what was being said. The PK is giving up too many shots against.

 

[CaptainChef]

I was suggesting the coaching staff don't think everything is rosy and there will be changes. They attempted some changes to start the season and it didn't work that well. Your post suggested they don't even see they have a problem. Maurice in his presser today acknowledged exactly what was being said. The PK is giving up too many shots against.

Maurice has always had the ability to express things real well verbally. Employing what he says on the ice, different story. How many years now have they had this terrible PK, and what has he done to fix it, thats the issue.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Maurice has always had the ability to express things real well verbally. Employing what he says on the ice, different story. How many years now have they had this terrible PK, and what has he done to fix it, thats the issue.

Right now I could care less about the past, they need to fix it now. And as I was saying they aren't stupid. They know they need to fix it before it bites them

 

[Ducky10]

I care about the past in the context that it tells us how long the PK has been awful. You'd think they've known for awhile how bad it is, I'm glad they do now, I'll be gladder when they get around to doing something about it

I will note they've done a bit better job through the neutral zone playing the 1-3 and breaking up the PP at the blue line. If that continues its a step in the right direction.

 

[JetsFan815]

PK really hasn't been improving:

Considering the entire camp and preseason was all about "PK specialists" on the bottom-6 and guys were sent down to the minors to make room for the "PK Specialists" and whatever PK strategy Maurice was trying to implement, one would have expected at the very least a PK that was not bottom-5 in the league. Instead we have a PK that is the worst at giving up unblocked shots in the last decade. Now I am just hoping we get to a "typical bottom-5" PK in the next few games. Babysteps

Unless Maurice has somehow figured out a way to prevent goals despite giving up these many shot attempts, the PK is live ticking timebomb and it's not going to be pretty when it goes off.

I will note they've done a bit better job through the neutral zone playing the 1-3 and breaking up the PP at the blue line. If that continues its a step in the right direction.

They have been good at pressuring in the neutral zone and denying zone entries on the PK since the beginning of the season based on my eyetest. It's what they do when the other team takes zone is what's been terrible

 

[ps241]

Dallas was almost the worst in the league on the PK last season they change coaching staff and they are almost the best at the PK this season so far. Same thing happened the year the Ducks brought in Maclean. I would consider taking the video coach and telling him to compile footage from last season and this season for the stars PK then lock the coaches in the room to study what changes were made to turn the results on their head??

I agree Maurice has acknowledged they need to get better so........why have they not abandoned the 1-1-2? Anyone watching can tell it is bleeding way too many shots? PK is not rocket science there are only four players on the ice so who do you deploy and what system are you running? They have had an inordinate amount of practice time early this season to adjust and change so there are no excuses in my mind at least.

 

[ps241]

Interesting listening to Paul’s interview yesterday

Q: are you concerned about the shots against so far?

A: We have had some bigger numbers against but are more into the chance quality than shot volumes “expected goals if you are into the analytics” we would put a little more emphasis on that (fair enough)

Q: are you trying to keep them to the outside

A: “making sure they don’t get the second crack at it”... “we are a little more passive in our PK than we would like to be. Allot of teams are shooting pucks..getting runs....getting big numbers...but the shot control and where they are coming from we are much better at handling”.

 

[Aavco Cup]

I think Maurice knows they have to be better

 

[Ducky10]

I'll hold off on my praise for Maurice at least knowing they need to be better and wait until he actually does something about it. You would hope an NHL coach recognizes how bad they've been.

 

[CaptainChef]

PK really hasn't been improving:

Considering the entire camp and preseason was all about "PK specialists" on the bottom-6 and guys were sent down to the minors to make room for the "PK Specialists" and whatever PK strategy Maurice was trying to implement, one would have expected at the very least a PK that was not bottom-5 in the league. Instead we have a PK that is the worst at giving up unblocked shots in the last decade. Now I am just hoping we get to a "typical bottom-5" PK in the next few games. Babysteps

Unless Maurice has somehow figured out a way to prevent goals despite giving up these many shot attempts, the PK is live ticking timebomb and it's not going to be pretty when it goes off.



They have been good at pressuring in the neutral zone and denying zone entries on the PK since the beginning of the season based on my eyetest. It's what they do when the other team takes zone is what's been terrible

Graph says it all. Maurice has had all off-season & the first dozen or so games with fixing the PK being foremost in his thoughts & this is what the result is. Its not even a player issue, its all on the coaches already. We have all the speed & skill on this team to be effective at challenging opposing offenses in our own zone,.... and still we employ a passive zone defense. Do we call it stubbornness or ignorance already?

 

[Guffman]

Jets have crossed the magical barrier of 100% (PP% + SH%). I was surprised to see the Jets PP ranks fourth in the league, which is consistent with how they were running in the preseason.

I might be too lazy to do this, but it would be interesting to see these values, net of shorthanded goals. Jets have given up 12 goals, but have scored 4 shorthanded, which just can’t be ignored when analyzing our performance.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Jets have crossed the magical barrier of 100% (PP% + SH%). I was surprised to see the Jets PP ranks fourth in the league, which is consistent with how they were running in the preseason.

I might be too lazy to do this, but it would be interesting to see these values, net of shorthanded goals. Jets have given up 12 goals, but have scored 4 shorthanded, which just can’t be ignored when analyzing our performance.

I always include short handed goals in my 5 game report cards. I did last season as well. ST goal differential is important.

Next report due tomorrow.

 

[Guffman]

I always include short handed goals in my 5 game report cards. I did last season as well. ST goal differential is important.

Next report due tomorrow.

Ha, just looked at the original post and remembered you’re doing this already.

Looking forward to tomorrow’s report!

 

[LowLefty]

Being a little more aggressive on the PK wouldn't hurt - we have the speed to rush the plays a bit more but we seem to be overly conservative, especially down low where we tend to do a lot of chasing rather than grinding - too much gap.

Up high we leave the QB's a lot of space as well - more space means more time to set up. The 2 guys high need to be quick and aggressive - I noticed Tanev playing a role in one of those spots recently but he tends to back in too far - like to see him challenging more - he's quick enough.

The D guys need to grind more - none of that stick swishing that Myers and Toby do a lot of - I'd like to see the top pairing out there for most of the PK - leave Buff out of it - he's always chasing and out of position.

PP looks to be getting better - I'd rather review what's happening now than what our PP has looked like under PoMo in the last decade - the PP personnel have changed a lot - lot of different combo's that work some nights and don't on other's.

I find our D to be the biggest weakness - they don't manage the power play very well (like a good QB would). Again, I see Buff as the major issue - he doesn't have the hockey IQ or speed for quick puck movement and smart plays - like Trouba, he shoots too much and at the wrong time - doesn't allow the team to set up or position for rebounds. Both of them basically turn it over on most shot attempts.

I find Myers to be much better on the point on the PP - he's patient and shoots effectively, including 1 timers. If not him, Kulikov who plays similar .

It looks to me like both PK/PP are being worked on - more work to do.

 

[Aavco Cup]

After 15 Games

PP Opp - 52 (3.5/gm 25th)
GM 1-5 - 19
GM 6-10 - 15
GM 11-15 - 18

Times SH - 55 (3.7/gm 24th)
GM 1-5 - 21
GM 6-10 - 15
GM 11-15 - 19

Penalty differential = (-3)
GM 1-5 (-2)
GM 6-10 (even)
GM 11-15 (-1)

PPGF 12 - SHGA 1 = 11
GM 1-5 (2-0=2)
GM 6-10 (3-0=3)
GM 11-15 (7-1=6)

PPGA 13 - SHGF 4 = 9
GM 1-5 (6-2=4)
GM 6-10 (2-1=1)
GM 11-15 (5-1=4)

ST Goal Differential = (+2)
GM 1-5 (-2)
GM 6-10 (+2)
GM 11-15 (+2)

PP Efficiency - 23.1% (6th)
GM 1-5 - 10.5%
GM 6-10 - 20.0%
GM 11-15 - 38.9%

PK Efficiency - 76.4% (27th)
GM 1-5 - 71.4%
GM 6-10 - 86.7%
GM 11-15 - 73.7%

Combined = 99.5
GM 1-5 = 81.9
GM 6-10 = 106.7
GM 11-15 = 112.6

Games With Positive ST Goal Differential
5

Games With Negative ST Goal Differential
3

Games With Even ST Goal Differential
7

 

[Guffman]

Aavco, I thought you said you would factor in short-handed goals when talking about efficiency.

For example, we have given up 9 net goals when shorthanded (13 against with 4 short-handed goals) in 55 attempts, for 84.6%.

It would be more interesting to see where we rank league wide net of shorthanded goals.

 

[grieves]

I went back and looked at PK stats for all teams since the 2009-2010 season to look at the rate of unblocked shot attempts given up. And of all teams since 09-10 the 2017 Jets are literally dead last in unblocked shot attempts given up/hour and other than the Panthers of this year, it's not even close. That's a remarkable feat considering how bad some teams have been since 2009 (think the "tanking for McEichel" Sabres and Yotes).

We are in unprecedented territory here, not only in the history of Jets but also in the history of NHL since the NHL started recording missed shots. It is not a question of personnel, this is a coaching and systems issue.

One of the reasons why many here remain skeptical of the Jets coaching staff inspite of the wins.

Well that's not good.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Aavco, I thought you said you would factor in short-handed goals when talking about efficiency.

For example, we have given up 9 net goals when shorthanded (13 against with 4 short-handed goals) in 55 attempts, for 84.6%.

It would be more interesting to see where we rank league wide net of shorthanded goals.

I'm not going to do that math. If you're interested in that you can compute those stats for all 31 teams.

I include SHG in my differentials for the Jets stats but I do it manually.

Also I believe there was one instance where the team gave up a PPG and scored a SHG on the same chance. How would that be treated? And how would you know how often other teams did the same thing?

 

[Whileee]

PK really hasn't been improving:

Considering the entire camp and preseason was all about "PK specialists" on the bottom-6 and guys were sent down to the minors to make room for the "PK Specialists" and whatever PK strategy Maurice was trying to implement, one would have expected at the very least a PK that was not bottom-5 in the league. Instead we have a PK that is the worst at giving up unblocked shots in the last decade. Now I am just hoping we get to a "typical bottom-5" PK in the next few games. Babysteps

Unless Maurice has somehow figured out a way to prevent goals despite giving up these many shot attempts, the PK is live ticking timebomb and it's not going to be pretty when it goes off.



They have been good at pressuring in the neutral zone and denying zone entries on the PK since the beginning of the season based on my eyetest. It's what they do when the other team takes zone is what's been terrible

Well, the PK was better last night based on shot metrics... only 50 FA/60 (including 1 minute of 3v5). Unfortunately, they went to sleep on a PK and gifted the Knights a goal, so....

 

[Guffman]

I'm not going to do that math. If you're interested in that you can compute those stats for all 31 teams.

I include SHG in my differentials for the Jets stats but I do it manually.

Also I believe there was one instance where the team gave up a PPG and scored a SHG on the same chance. How would that be treated? And how would you know how often other teams did the same thing?

If you gave up a SH and got a PPG on the same penalty, it nets to zero. It’s as if neither team scored - net is just 0/1, which makes sense.

 

[Aavco Cup]

If you gave up a SH and got a PPG on the same penalty, it nets to zero. It’s as if neither team scored - net is just 0/1, which makes sense.

OK go with it.