Slavin vs Provorov

[Ainec]

On the right corner in grey trunks we have weighing at 210 pounds with a 22-0 record.. FIGHTING OUT OF A SUBURB IN PHILLY...
Sasso09

On the left red shorts, weighing in at 209 pounds with a 38-4 record. FIGHTING.. OUT OF A GHETTO IN NEW JERSEY...
WhiskeyYourTheDevils

Whiskey has not posted since Tuesday

The winner by unanimous decision is Sasso09.

He's now defending the belt against zeke

 

[Sasso09]

Ghost PPG is .94
Rielly PPG is .85

their ice time is 30 seconds difference ATOI

but somehow you come up with these numbers? its mathematically impossible. Link to your source

 

[Sasso09]

after you post the link lets get off the Rielly topic, I think I started it. Don't want to derail a legit thread where Rielly doesn't belong

 

[zeke]

Ghost PPG is .94
Rielly PPG is .85

their ice time is 30 seconds difference ATOI

but somehow you come up with these numbers? its mathematically impossible. Link to your source

I think corsica doesn't include empty net goals, so that might be skewing it. But even if we include empy net goals:

Rielly: ES 345.733min, 10pts, 1.74p60 / PP 48.25min, 7pts, 8.71p60
Ghost: ES 280.833min, 6pts, 1.28p60 / PP 64.133min, 9pts, 8.42p60
Provo: ES 370.067min, 7pts, 1.14p60 / PP 37.45min, 1pts, 1.60p60

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Whiskey has not posted since Tuesday

The winner by unanimous decision is Sasso09.

He's now defending the belt against zeke

What strange criteria to determine the winner of a debate, especially when the topic is no longer even been discussed.

Slavin is the better defenseman until Provorov proves otherwise. It's similar logic to comparing Nylander / Marner to Gaudreau or Giroux.

 

[Ainec]

You're right it's not that simple to determine the winner between 3 heavyweights.

You have the guy that made the "Jaccob Slavin is the best young defenseman in the league" thread and has championed Gaudreau to great heights comparing Monahan to a 3rd line passenger.

Then there's the biggest Flyers fan on the board masquerading as a Blackhawks fan even though his post ratio is 10000:1 Flyers. Not afraid to drop in and talk about Giroux like it's still 2012

Finally we have the self proclaimed advanced stats expert that can adjust #s to argue Zaitsev and Gardiner > your team's #1 dmen. Or Matthews could play Karlsson's position better because corsi + score adjusted toronto media pressure.


I'll be very surprised if somebody comes out on top

 

[seventieslord]

Now this is a good one.

I take Provorov because of his upside going forward.

 

[StoneHands]

You're right it's not that simple to determine the winner between 3 heavyweights.

You have the guy that made the "Jaccob Slavin is the best young defenseman in the league" thread and has championed Gaudreau to great heights comparing Monahan to a 3rd line passenger.

Then there's the biggest Flyers fan on the board masquerading as a Blackhawks fan even though his post ratio is 10000:1 Flyers. Not afraid to drop in and talk about Giroux like it's still 2012

Finally we have the self proclaimed advanced stats expert that can adjust #s to argue Zaitsev and Gardiner > your team's #1 dmen. Or Matthews could play Karlsson's position better because corsi + score adjusted toronto media pressure.


I'll be very surprised if somebody comes out on top

This is my favorite HF post in a while. Take my like and my admiration.

 

[Jets012]

Slavin, not that much thought going into it either. Think it's easily him at the moment.

 

[ted2019]

No question that it's Provorov

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Provorov gets slaughtered taking on toughs why is he winning here? Oh, it's because one was a top ten pick and the other was a mid round one

 

[whitstifier]

Provorov gets slaughtered taking on toughs why is he winning here? Oh, it's because one was a top ten pick and the other was a mid round one

What's a tough?

 

[Flukeshot]

Team ProvoCop

 

[Winston Wolf]

Provorov gets slaughtered taking on toughs why is he winning here? Oh, it's because one was a top ten pick and the other was a mid round one

Somebody's upset that his team picked the next Dainus Zubrus over a number one defenseman.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Somebody's upset that his team picked the next Dainus Zubrus over a number one defenseman.

Nah, Devils are loaded up front and Provorov is not a number one dman

 

[tictactoe]

Slavin is a freaking stud. If this guy played on a contending team, he'd be recognized as such. And let's not forget he's only 23, he's not even in his prime yet.

You look at what Pietrangelo is now for the Blues, i have no problem seeing Slavin at similar level some time in the future.

Provorov is really good with fantastic potential, but for whatever reason i think he's not going to quite meet the extremely high expectations a lot of people have, maybe it's bias but yeah, we'll see.

Can you prove that statistically? I mean you mentioned players age, that is a good start.. Slavin is 23, Provorov is 20 years old. You mentioned Slavins age but neglect to mention Provorovs age.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Can you prove that statistically? I mean you mentioned players age, that is a good start.. Slavin is 23, Provorov is 20 years old. You mentioned Slavins age but neglect to mention Provorovs age.

Prove what exactly ?

 

[tictactoe]

Prove what exactly ?

Why does he think Slavin is better? In what area of the game besides take aways.. I am sorry.. who are you? and why am I explaining something to YOU?

 

[Curufinwe]

Not exactly sure how Provorov is winning. Slavin is a legit shut-down guy in the mold of Vlasic whereas Provorv is likely topping out as a 2nd-pairing D-man.

He's already a 1st-pairing dman at age 20, so you win the prize for most ignorant comment in this thread.

 

[Sasso09]

You're right it's not that simple to determine the winner between 3 heavyweights.

You have the guy that made the "Jaccob Slavin is the best young defenseman in the league" thread and has championed Gaudreau to great heights comparing Monahan to a 3rd line passenger.

Then there's the biggest Flyers fan on the board masquerading as a Blackhawks fan even though his post ratio is 10000:1 Flyers. Not afraid to drop in and talk about Giroux like it's still 2012

Finally we have the self proclaimed advanced stats expert that can adjust #s to argue Zaitsev and Gardiner > your team's #1 dmen. Or Matthews could play Karlsson's position better because corsi + score adjusted toronto media pressure.


I'll be very surprised if somebody comes out on top

it took me a while to go thru every post I've had and do the math, I was certain your # of 10,000:1 Flyers was incorrect so I went back and checked on every single post and discovered you indeed were incorrect.

8,817 post
3,217 Flyers
1,877 Hawks
3,713 Neutral

sooooo, its not 10,000:1, It's 9/25 Buster brown. Don't mess with a CPA when it comes to numbers.

 

[Sasso09]

Nah, Devils are loaded up front and Provorov is not a number one dman

He is though already by every measureable metric. 17th in the entire NHL of all players with ATOI while facing the toughest minutes on his team. Textbook #1

 

[Sasso09]

Slavin, not that much thought going into it either. Think it's easily him at the moment.

clearly there was no thought

 

[Sasso09]

What strange criteria to determine the winner of a debate, especially when the topic is no longer even been discussed.

Slavin is the better defenseman until Provorov proves otherwise. It's similar logic to comparing Nylander / Marner to Gaudreau or Giroux.

He's already proven otherwise though.., He IS the better player now, even if you disagree its certainly debatable.

 

[sparxx87]

Provorov. Younger and much higher ceiling. Today it’s close.

 

[GoldiFox]

He's already proven otherwise though.., He IS the better player now, even if you disagree its certainly debatable.

In 2017 (5v5):

Points: Slavin 4 vs. Provorov 4
P/60: Slavin 0.68 vs. Provorov 0.68
Game Score: Slavin 8.82 vs. Provorov 6.03
CF%: Slavin 52.51% vs. Provorov 49.47%
GF%: Slavin 48.15% vs. Provorov 41.67%
Expected GF%: Slavin 52.42% vs. Provorov 51.94%
PDO: Slavin 98.38% vs. Provorov 97.28%
% OFF ZS: Slavin 47.12% vs. Provorov 47.14%
TOI %: Slavin 38.56% vs. Provorov 37.77%
CF% QoC: Slavin 50.49% vs. Provorov 49.58%

General Stats:

Takeaways: Slavin 17 vs. Provorov 3
Giveaways: Slavin 5 vs. Provorov 19
Takeaway - Giveaway: Slavin +12 vs. Provorov (-16)
Blocked Shots: Slavin 47 vs. Provorov 55
Hits: Slavin 6 vs. Provorov 37
PIM: Slavin 0 vs. Provorov 6

Maybe you could explain why all the data points to Slavin being the better #1?

Both are great (quite similar outside of possession). As a Canes fan I'm fine believing that Provorov has ascended to Slavin's level. It's fine to say that one prefer's Provorov as he is 2.5 years younger. Slavin is in his 3rd year and Provorov is in his 2nd. However, to say that Provorov is the better player right now is a reach.