Players like Crosby are the reason the list goes up to 10. He's not a 10A, I don't think 10A can even be achieved if you read the definition. No prospect can be labelled a sure fire guaranteed 'once in a generation' player. He is most definitely a 10B - a player with the potential to be a superstar, who could top out as an elite player rather than a revolutionary one like Gretzky.
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JayRice66 said:
How does he "definitely" have much larger upside than Ovechkin? Or Lehtonen for that matter?
What has he done against NHL quality opponents that qualifies him as better than the top 1-5 prospects on HF?
IMO the hype has a lot of fans talking right out of their a**.
EroCaps said:
Well since we're talking about NHL games and such Fleury>Lehtonen. Dominated the NHL for a longer period of time.
10C
Although I think he will be great
We are talking on of the best all time
That is all hard to accomplish
No one should ever be a 10A
EVER!!!!!!!!!!
Although I think he will be great
We are talking on of the best all time
That is all hard to accomplish
No one should ever be a 10A
EVER!!!!!!!!!!
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EroCaps said:
I think the hype will have the opposite effect as well. Plenty of people will get fed up with all the praise Crosby is getting, and they'll start to search for reasons to bash him, just like they did with Ovechkin. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, I'm waiting for the inevitable backlash.
It's kind of crazy to see people comparing these two to Greztky and Lemieux, I hope they come close to reaching their potential, for the sake of the sanity of Pens and Caps fans.
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EroCaps said:
He is by far the better netminder. That being said. Fleury flashed signs of brilliance in the net in pittsburgh, when the defense was actually playing. He suffered early because of the pens horrid defense.
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that's a supremely crappy comparison. lehtonen plays 4 games and plays well, good for him...not only was he older and had more experience and development, he only played 4 games and players did not have any time to figure him out. he obviously played great but it's really no indication of how he'll hold up over many games.
you should have just taken the easy and more accurate path and compared their play in the AHL if you wanted to try to make a point about the two
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sharkyz15 said:
Agreed, I think that's the best rating is 10B or 10C
Some think he'll fail in the NHL because of pressure or something so I'd consider Pressure handling a potential hole(we don't know for sure) but I think he'll reach his potential, but untill Jesus himself straps on skates and gets drafted I can't see anyone with a 10A
agreed Crosby is clearly a better hockey player than Ovechkin tho, not saying he's going to have the better career cause injuries can change that but i'd bet everything that pending both players have 20 year 82 game per year career's Crosby would blow Ovechkin's out of the water, with that said Crosby nor wayne gretzky himself should get 10-A i'd give crosby a 10-B tho.
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Le Golie said:
Ooh, I'm a heathen, a heretic, because I believe he might *only* be All Star calibre, a first liner, 40 - 50 goal scorer, 100 point guy?
Jesus.
The Crosby love is simply insane.HF player rankings aren't based on downside or worst case scenarios. They are based on realistic 'potential'.
With that in mind, please enlighten me on what leads you to believe Crosby's realistic potential is Patrick Elias with a chance of being demoted to the second line.
8B is a joke, let's here you defend it. How can you not be aware that your claim is far more ridiculous than mine?
With that in mind, please enlighten me on what leads you to believe Crosby's realistic potential is Patrick Elias with a chance of being demoted to the second line.
8B is a joke, let's here you defend it. How can you not be aware that your claim is far more ridiculous than mine?
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Yes, if Pecafan was drafting he might also consider other 8B prospects such as Chris Higgins, Mikko Koivu and Wojtek Wolski ahead of Crosby. But hey, he's realistic.
Surely he would take 8A prospects Mark Stuart and Shea Webber ahead of Crosby.
Surely he would take 8A prospects Mark Stuart and Shea Webber ahead of Crosby.
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Le Golie said:
Key word "realistic". 90% of the prospect rankings simply aren't. According to HF, the Canucks have about 20 guys who's "realistic" potential is fourth line NHL'er or better. In reality, only a couple of those players will even make the NHL, the rest will be minor leaguers at best.
"Realistic" is throwing the title of NHL'er on everyone, then being wrong 90% of the time? Oh, but it was "realistic" because each and every one of the 20 guys had the "potential" to be an NHL'er? Gee, I guess I should be ranked, I have the "potential" to be the first NHL'er collecting Old Age Pension.
*Realistically*, Crosby has a great chance of being a first liner, a small chance at busting, a small chance at being an elite player (hint: elite players are rare, that's what makes them elite), and a minute chance at being a generational talent.
And I'm being unreasonable for recognising that the most likely outcome is that Crosby simply becomes "only" a 50 goal, 100 point scoring first line potential All Star?
I am so looking forward to the next few years, as the Crosby acolytes slowly have it dawn on them that the kid is mortal.
Ok, if Crosby doesn't deserve the highest realistic grade (10B) of a newly drafted prospect - what would it take? He has made a very strong case for himself as the best 16 and 17 year old ever. I'm not sure what more you need to give him a 10B. You certainly have avoided the original request to point out specific examples of what you see that makes him a Wojtek Wolski level prospect.
Or are you one of those short sighted people that think that in the 30 years of modern NHL hockey we have seen the only two mega star hockey players that we will ever see in the hundreds of thousands (hopefully millions or billions) of years the human race has ahead of us? If that's the case I guess HF should knock their prospect rating down to a scale of 1-8.
Or are you one of those short sighted people that think that in the 30 years of modern NHL hockey we have seen the only two mega star hockey players that we will ever see in the hundreds of thousands (hopefully millions or billions) of years the human race has ahead of us? If that's the case I guess HF should knock their prospect rating down to a scale of 1-8.
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I'd say 9.5B.
Not to knock on Crosby, but the hype machine is really working in full force. He certainly is something special, but I'd rather be conservative and lower it a bit.
And Le Golie, I'd say there are three generational talents: Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux.
Not to knock on Crosby, but the hype machine is really working in full force. He certainly is something special, but I'd rather be conservative and lower it a bit.
And Le Golie, I'd say there are three generational talents: Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux.
Jacobv2 said:
I agree 100% Another thing, name one time when Kari had to save 46 in one game, including a penalty shot. Not saying Fleury is better then Lehtonen, or vice versa, just something to chew on.
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