Confirmed with Link: Sheldon Keefe Fired -- Discussion Thread

[Mess]

A greenhorn President, hires a greenhorn GM, who then hires a greenhorn Coach.

Question: What could possibly go right?

Answer: Nothing !!

This whole Dubas/Keefe 5-6 year fiasco is both regrettable and compete waste of time and money and robbed Leafs Nation of their greatest Cup competitive window by their gross incompetence.

 

[notbias]

Because coddling them and caving to every demand has worked so well these last 5 years?

When proven winners like ROR and Schenn are running away after 2 months with this group, you know there's a problem.

Wasn't part of the reason ROR left because of the media? He didn't want the attention?

Wasn't Schenn open to re-signing but we brought in Klingberg at double his hit?

Might be wrong... that was my recollection.

 

[wingman75]

Every time I see Hyman burying goals it pisses me off, let exactly what this teams needs to walk because he wasn’t sexy enough……..

Imagine thinking he was not worth 5 x $5mil. Insane.

 

[rumman]

Because coddling them and caving to every demand has worked so well these last 5 years?

When proven winners like ROR and Schenn are running away after 2 months with this group, you know there's a problem.

Exactly…….

 

[HockeyVirus]

Who do you think is better?

Not those guys. If we fired Keefe I was hoping for another Babcock type hire.. A winning coach with pedigree. Rod the Bod, Jon Cooper, etc.

 

[ACC1224]

Again, true. But Gallant has flamed out three teams in a row, seems the odds are higher with him

True but any Coach that's available has flamed out somewhere.

Throw the Vault at Dale Hunter. Marner played his best under him.

 

[wingman75]

Wasn't part of the reason ROR left because of the media? He didn't want the attention?

Wasn't Schenn open to re-signing but we brought in Klingberg at double his hit?

ROR lied, and could see this core was not a winning one. He was just being polite.

Schenn wanted term. that was the main factor I believe.

 

[Notsince67]

On the players. Same story every year.


The core is the constant. It is obvious this is where change is needed.

It's obvious to you but not to the nhl who is pretty consistent in removing coaches from under performing teams

 

[Sypher04]

Because coddling them and caving to every demand has worked so well these last 5 years?

When proven winners like ROR and Schenn are running away after 2 months with this group, you know there's a problem.

ROR didn’t like the scrutiny of playing here and Schenn understandably followed term and money after making peanuts for years.
Neither case has anything to do with what you are suggesting

 

[Leaf Fans]

True but any Coach that's available has flamed out somewhere.

Throw the Vault at Dale Hunter. Marner played his best under him.

Dale Hunter is a guy I would be on board with too.

 

[mikeyz]

Because coddling them and caving to every demand has worked so well these last 5 years?

When proven winners like ROR and Schenn are running away after 2 months with this group, you know there's a problem.

I don't care what anyone says, I never bought ROR's reason for picking Nashville over us. Deep down, we know EXACTLY why he left.

He saw the culture of this team up close and wanted nothing to do with it.

 

[notbias]

ROR lied, and could see this core was not a winning one. He was just being polite.

Source? Or is it just your opinion?

Also, he went to a team that had no chance either... so it seems weird.

Schenn wanted term. that was the main factor I believe.

I am not faulting them for not signing Schenn, he was a risk.

Just the fact people make things up like "these two players knew this core was a bunch of losers", when at least one was willing to sign... it is just fan fiction.

 

[wingman75]

ROR didn’t like the scrutiny of playing here and Schenn followed term and money after making peanuts for years.
Neither case has anything to do with what you are suggesting

Disagree. Those guys are pros. They are not going to throw fellow union members under the bus.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Not those guys. If we fired Keefe I was hoping for another Babcock type hire.. A winning coach with pedigree. Rod the Bod, Jon Cooper, etc.

You may have to wait there.

But you've got a better chance than my hipster picks like Fedorov or Oates.

 

[Racer88]

Imagine thinking he was not worth 5 x $5mil. Insane.

Yup a major major blunder. I heard an interview where Hyman says he is glad to have finally an opportunity to excel

 

[JKG33]

ROR didn’t like the scrutiny of playing here and Schenn understandably followed term and money after making peanuts for years.
Neither case has anything to do with what you are suggesting

I'm not so sure about that. I remember hearing a lotta smoke about ROR not wanting to be a passenger on this bus behind the loser leadership in Matthews and Tavares

 

[mikeyz]

ROR didn’t like the scrutiny of playing here and Schenn understandably followed term and money after making peanuts for years.
Neither case has anything to do with what you are suggesting

This is BS. I don't buy that for a minute.

He didn't like something around here. But, it wasn't the scrutiny.

 

[rumman]

Keefe already looks 5 years younger. Lol.

Keefe’s goodbye, as heartfelt as it appears doesn’t erase the fact that he was the architect of his own demise…….

 

[Sypher04]

This is BS. I don't buy that for a minute.

He didn't like something around here. But, it wasn't the scrutiny.

It’s quite literally what he said.

 

[wingman75]

Source? Or is it just your opinion?

Also, he went to a team that had no chance either... so it seems weird.



I am not faulting them for not signing Schenn, he was a risk.

Just the fact people make things up like "these two players knew this core was a bunch of losers", when at least one was willing to sign... it is just fan fiction.

Dude. 1 series win in 8 seasons. Running it back. Would you have stayed? f*** that, I would have ran away too.

I am sure the media aspect was true, but NHLers are paid to deal with that and ROR is a pro at it. There were other factors. Believe what you want. But to ignore all the facts that are right in front of our eyes is naive.

 

[HockeyVirus]

You may have to wait there.

But it's better than my hipster picks like Fedorov or Oates.

Yeah I can buy the argument change is needed for a new voice but I think any of those hires are a clear downgrade.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I really hope they take a long look at Gallant and don’t just knee jerk all the hype around Berube. Gallant for me is a superior coach, his teams are really structured and disciplined, he’s exactly what we need imo.

Yup.

 

[Fogelhund]

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Dreger;

Shanny not likely to be removed.
Doesn't believe that Marner or Tavares will be moved either.

 

[mikeyz]

It’s quite literally what he said.

Yes. But that doesn't mean that he was telling the truth. He was just being diplomatic because he's not going to publicly shit on a team while being an active player.

The guy won a cup and IIRC the Conn Smythe in 2019. Does that sound like someone who is afraid of scrutiny?

Not to mention. Why would he agree to be traded here in the first place? Do you really think he didn't know about the "media scrutiny" here until he got here last trade deadline?

And BTW. I use that term media scrutiny here very loosely because I don't even think they're that bad.

 

[Racer88]

It’s quite literally what he said.

Ya and Richard Nixon said “ I am not a crook” yet here we are