Sergei Fedorov

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  1. canucksfan

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    His career will be almost over shortly. He's a lock to make the HHOF. Where would you rank him with regards to forwards? On the greatest forwards of all time poll I believe he was number 21 but don't put too much into that because it was the polls and petitions board.
     
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    Seems about accurate, their's wiggle room up and down, but around 50 I can dig.

    Also, keep in mind that 13 players listed above him were inelligable for the polls and petitions threads.
     
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    Fedorov is a lock for the Hall of Fame. He's not #21 on the all-time list of forwards though. But unlike others like Mogilny or Bure there isnt any controversy regarding him getting in.

    Fedorov had four straight years of 20 or more playoff points which is something I believe only Bossy and Trottier can claim as well. He was a Hart Trophy winner in '94 a selke winner in '94 and '96 and a thre time Cup winner. You could make an argument that he could have won the Conn Smythe in '97 over Vernon as well. He was one of the most fluid skaters ever and put up over 100 points twice. To me that's "lights-out" credentials for the Hall.
     
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    Pnep I must once again ask how on earth you come up w/ these nicknames.
     
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    Yep, Fedorov is absolutely a lock. I think with him playing poorly for several years now, some people tend to forget just how dominant he was at his peak (not anyone in this thread, but just in general).
     
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    database compiled from various sources....
     
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    wait a minute everyone ...

    find me another player who had a 100 point season, and won the Selke the same year

    and then find a player who did it twice, ok?
     
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    I remember thinking that was the coolest thing ever back in the day.
     
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    Keep in mind that those seasons came in that stretch from 93-96 when voters were basically handing out the Selke to the high-scoring forward who plays well offensively.

    In 1995-96, the finalists were Fedorov, Francis and Yzerman. The only true defensive forward in the top seven was Joel Otto. The Selke voters took a lot of heat that year. And they put a renewed emphasis on legit defensive forwards, which is why guys like Peca, Lehtinen, Draper and Madden have fared so well in voting in the last decade. (In the last decade, the only finalists that I would classify as offensive forwards are Forsberg in 1997, Yzerman in 2000 and Sakic and Modano in 2001).

    As for where he belongs, somewhere in the 50s among forwards. pnep's findings are fairly close in this instance. I would take Fedorov ahead of Selanne or Robitaille, but he shouldn't be ahead of guys like the Bentley's or Gilbert Perreault.

    For most of his career, Fedorov has always left me wanting more. I've always thought he has a couple wires crossed. He's a sensational talent, one of the finest we'll ever see. So much offensive skill, savvy and smarts. He was terrific defensively. And yet, there were so many games, and extended periods of time, in which it didn't seem like he was doing anything, or it didn't seem like he was motivated. Then he'd wake up, and for a few games, he'd be the best player on the ice each night. Not that he's the first player to ever do this.

    The 1993-94 season should have been the norm for him. He should have been a perennial 100-point threat who plays excellent defensive hockey. He was that talented. Instead, it was seasons like 1998-99 that were the norm for him.
     
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    Scotty Bowman did a segment on Mtl radio yesterday. He was discussing how players had to be in the right situation to flourish. The presence of Yzerman in Detroit, according to Bowman, was a huge factor in Federov's career.
     
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    Bowman's right, playing with Yzerman allowed Fedorov to flourish. What's odd, however, is that Fedorov's best season (93-94) happened when Yzerman was injured for a significant part of the year. It was Sergei who elevated his game and was the real leader of Wings that year.
    Like many have stated, had Fedorov played with any consistency throughout his career I'd have him aound 15-20 of all-time forwards.
     
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    Jacques Lemaire's nickname was "Coco".

    Can you post a top 100 defencemen list? I need some tips for the All-time draft.
     
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    It's also possible Yzerman held him back. If Fedorov had been handed the reigns of a contender in 96-98 he probably would have flourished, but he became used to being the number 2 guy and lost that ability to be the on ice leader. Plus, he's never done well in games that don't matter, so he struggles if he's not on a contender.
     
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    imo, if Fedorov wasn't the super player he could have been, is Yzerman's fault
     
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    ??? Not sure to understand the meaning of this post.
     
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    As a giant Red Wings fan, I think Fedorov always seemed to be upset to be in Yzerman's shadow a bit. Not that he showed it, but as pointed out before, the year Yzerman injuried his neck, Fedorov was given the extra minutes and responsibility and he responded. When Yzerman came back at the end of the year, it was almost like Fedorov was P.O.ed a bit. And after that he went back to his 75-80 point seasons and played the good soldier, realizing this was and was going to stay Yzerman's team.

    Frankly, I'm surprised Bowman let me get away with as much as he did at times. Bowman nearly crucified Yzerman when he first became coach, but got him to play his way evenually. I guess Fedorov was so ungodly talented that Bowman had to step back and let him play his way.

    Fedorov was probably the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NHL, talent-wise, from 1991-2002 or so. Only Forsberg and maybe Kariya had more sheer ability during that time. But he always looked like he had more to give (much like Mario Lemieux), and only got up for pressure games (in which he was supreme). Great, great skater, fantastic puckhandler, one of the 3 best passers I've ever seen, great goal scorer, and fantastic defensively. Yet he should have scored about 400 more points in his career. Odd to think that he played in the wide-open early 90's, yet only scored 100 points twice in his career. He had too much talent to not do it more than that.
     
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    Sergei Fedorov = greatest of all time ... he bedded Anna Kournikova, something Big M, The Flying Finn, The Mighty Atom and the rest of those riddiculous nicknames never did.

    But, seriously, way too many one-dimensional forwards on the list ahead of Fedorov ... I'd rate him in the 25-35 range, using probably very different (a much more pro-defense) criteria than this list used (whatever that may be) ... case in point, Bob Gainey at 78 below Selanne, Kariya, Brett Hull, Naslund, Iginla, Dionne and Robitaille falls within the UN's definition (Article 6, Section 2) of "crimes against humanity".

    Fedorov maybe had questionable determination, certainly wasn't as tough as Draper or McCarty, but let's not start calling him Yashin or Daigle either ... I can't think of a smoother, faster, better, stronger skater post-1990. Let's also not forget that he can also play deeeeeefense ...
     
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    I thought they did clash alot. Difference is, unlike Yzerman, Fedorov played defence and stepped up in the clutch. So there was no flashpoint issue for Bowman to drill him on. But their relationship was never friendly.
    I don't get it, you claim to oppose one dimensional forwards, yet support Bob Gainey, one of the most one dimensional forwards ever.
     
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    As good as he was, the first word that comes to mind is dissapointment. He should have been even better. Freakishly talented, and IMO had the ability to be the best forward of the 90's early 00's.

    He had a skill level only rivaled among his peers by Lindros, Forsberg and Jagr .... and Fedorov was far more durable than either Lindros or Jagr.
     
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    Well I cant find one that did it twice with two 100 poin seasons but Gilmour did it with 127 points in '93. Francis in '95 won it and would have had over 100 points had there not been the lockout. But seriously did Gilmour really deserve it? I mean was he the best defensive forward in the game? No, I dont think so. Fedorov you could argue may have deserved it more though.
     
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