Sending back to the juniors

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  1. Duff88

    Duff88 Registered User

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    I've got a question I'm trying to solve so I'm hoping some of you with more business of hockey knowledge may help me.

    About players who sign and play 10 games with the team before being sent down to their junior team. I'm wondering if this counts in the number of seasons needed to become a free agent?
     
  2. I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
     
  3. Irish Blues

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    I answered in the shoutbox in the Lounge. :D

    Assuming you're talking about seasons needed to be a Group 3 free agent (UFA), players must have a given number of "accrued" seasons. An accrued season is one in which the player has been on an NHL roster for at least 40 regular season games. If the player plays 10 or fewer games and is then sent down, it's clearly not an accrued season and, if the player is 18 or 19, results in the contract "sliding" one year.

    kdb209 will be along to clean up the fine details where I've overlooked them.
     

  4. My answer was still better than yours. :sarcasm:
     
  5. kdb209

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    You're pretty much spot on.

    If a player plays less than 10 games as an 18yo or 19 yo, his 3 year ELS contract is automatically extended for a year. If he plays 10+ games, his ELS contract ages and he is one year closer to becoming an RFA.

    The <10 games will have no impact on Group III UFA - an accrued season is 40+ games on an NHL roster (30+ games for goalies) or on IR due to a hockey related injury. Accrued seasons are now only relevent for UFA status after 8 (or 7 starting in '07) Accrued Seasons. The age-based UFA criteria (29yo this year, 28yo next year, and 27yo) after that no longer have any Accrued Season requirements - the CBA FAQ is incorrect on this point.

    There are a couple of other minor thresholds at or near 10 games.

    To qualify for Group II RFA status a player who signs his first SPC at ages 18-21 needs 3 professional seasons - an 18 or 19 yo earns a professional season by playing 10 or more NHL games in a season, a 20+ yo earns one by playing 10 or more professional (NHL, AHL, or Euro loaned under NHL contract) games under NHL contract. Normally this is never an issue, since this matches the length of his ELS contract, but there are cases (season lost to injury) where a players ELS deal can finish without him earning 3 professional seasons - in that case he would be an RFA, but not subject to Group II offer sheets and draft pick compensation.

    For Group V UFA (10 professional seasons and < league average salary) and Group VI UFA (Age 25+ with 3 professional seasons and < 80 NHL games for a skater and < 28 NHL games for a goalie) status, an 18 or 19 yo earns a "professional" season by playing 11 or more NHL games, a 20+ yo earns one by playing in 1 or more professional (NHL, AHL, or Euro loaned under NHL contract) games.

    For Arbitration Eligibility, an 18 or 19 yo earns a professional season by playing 10 or more NHL games in a season, a 20+ yo earns one by playing 10 or more professional (NHL, AHL, or Euro loaned under NHL contract) games.

    For Waiver exemptions, the 5 or 4 year exemption for a player who signs as an 18 or 19 yo drops to 3 years starting the first season he plays 11 or more NHL games. Similarly, the 6 or 5 year exemption for goalies drops to 4 years after he plays 11 or more games.

    None of these thresholds will be hit if the player is returned to Juniors before 10 games.

    IB - is that enough fine details for you?
     
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    No - you should have included a page break for good measure. :D
     

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