Selanne and Kariya in the Hockey Hall of Fame!
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Force951
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So happy they are going in together!
Guess they induct stepping stones into the hall of fame now.
Tecumseh
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Off the floor, in the Hall, Paul Kariya!
Do have to agree with the Hall of Very Good, though. It almost feels like they're desperately looking for people to induct right now where they should just have the select few be chosen and let each year pass without inductions if there is no one worthy. Out of the ones getting inducted right now, I think only Selänne is the easy shoe-in. Everyone else is debatable.
Do have to agree with the Hall of Very Good, though. It almost feels like they're desperately looking for people to induct right now where they should just have the select few be chosen and let each year pass without inductions if there is no one worthy. Out of the ones getting inducted right now, I think only Selänne is the easy shoe-in. Everyone else is debatable.
Pennaduck
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I hope it does. I'm not big on retiring numbers but 8 and 9 belong together in the rafters. Two hall of famers who played their prime years together with the Ducks and put the franchise on the map
anezthes
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Pennaduck
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Can't say I disagree but I think part if it is that the recent inductees are a lot of 'dead puck era' players. I never expected Kariya would be inducted to be honest, but he was a ppg player in a tough era for scoring and was an NHL all star many times. He is deserving of it.
Yeah, and had Kariya's career not come to an unfortunate end thanks to some jerks that need not be named, he'd most likely have point totals rivaling even the top of the all-time scoreboards (minus Gretzky and Mario of course).
I'm not entirely against his induction. Especially in the sense that he was the first real superstar of a budding franchise and pretty much helped solidify us as a serious team. Who knows where we'd be without him. Just feels a bit strange.
I'm not entirely against his induction. Especially in the sense that he was the first real superstar of a budding franchise and pretty much helped solidify us as a serious team. Who knows where we'd be without him. Just feels a bit strange.
What percentage of players should be in versus how the percentage that is currently making it?
Hopefully you're not someone who just judges HoF worthiness based on arbitrary counting totals.
Kariya clearly was one of the top players in the league while he was healthy. The only real knock against him is his limited time he played healthy and early retirement.
IMO, he was dominant enough in a time when it was really tough to be dominant that he's a no-brainer. To me, the Hall of Fame should always be about the handful of best players from each decade. Paul was clearly one of those.
Unholy
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Should absolutely be a HOFer. One of only 19 players with 600+ goals, also currently holds the NHL record for PP goals (274). Stanley Cup winner, 1600+ regular season games.
Recchi is a good pick for the HOF, too. 3 Cups, almost PPG over 1600+ regular season games. Currently 20th all time in goals, didn't quite hit 600.
Kariya is definitely a questionable inductee.
WhatTheDuck
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Kariya was one of the best in the game for a fairly long period of time, for me that should the bar. I'm glad to see him get in as I feel like it wouldn't have been a debate if not for Suter. Extremely happy that him and Teemu are going to share this together.
Andreychuk I agree should not be there, he has that distinction of being the leading PP goal scorer ever, but he also finished with 301 less points than games played. Sure he was a good player who any team would love to have - but he's only an all time great in regards to that one single facet of the game.
Recchi was the active leading scorer when he retired, that gives him a pretty strong case. Still definitely on the lower end as far as the HOF goes without a doubt.
The Mighty Duck Man
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Paul was at least a legitimate superstar in the league, and that was derailed by injury. Even with 600 goals I don't think I'd put Andreychuk in, he was just very good for a very long time. Recchi's borderline.
Either way, so awesome Teemu and Paul got to go in together. Can't hate that.
Either way, so awesome Teemu and Paul got to go in together. Can't hate that.
See, there's the difference between how players are rated. I think Kariya, playing in the 90's, which was a really tough time to be a goal-scorer, was one of the dominant players of that era. Andreychuk was really good in the 80's and he was a solid player for a long time. That kind of longevity and overall numbers is worth something, even though I think Paul had more talent.
Knock Kariya if you want for never quite keeping his flame up for a 15-20 year career, but the talent was as elite as anybody playing during his prime. If Lindros got in, Paul is a no-brainer.
Paul4587
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Lindros was a tier ahead of Paul, he was actually the best player in the game for spurts where as Paul was more of a top 10 guy.
Of the late 90s when he was at his best I still can't put him ahead of the likes of Jagr, Sakic, Lindros, Forsberg, Selanne to name a few. Offensively yeah he was maybe top 3 but in terms of a two way game there were a lot of guys who were only slightly worse offensively while being streets ahead in their own end.
WhatTheDuck
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And if anyone doesn't get that reference I'm sorry but you're just streets behind.
AngelDuck
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You don't have to be the best player in the league at any point to make the hall of fame. Kariya was way better than Andreychuk and Recchi and they both got in, so who cares?
Godzlaf
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If you are talking about him at his best, he 100% deserves to be mentioned in the same tier as those guys.
The Mighty Duck Man
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You really can't say Selanne at the time was in with that group and Kariya wasn't, they were as equal as it got.
Fighter
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I've been extremely bitter at Paul Kariya for the way he backstabbed the Ducks org and us fans after the amazing 2003 run. Yeah, I'm one of the few who still hold a grudge on him... but I think this is the right time to bury the hatchet.
Teemu was a lock, but I feel it's so fitting they both get inducted TOGETHER, that's AWESOME! Big congrats to both...
Yeah, I feel it's no longer in the discussion now if retire Kariya's number...
Teemu was a lock, but I feel it's so fitting they both get inducted TOGETHER, that's AWESOME! Big congrats to both...
Yeah, I feel it's no longer in the discussion now if retire Kariya's number...
Ducks in a row
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Congrats Paul Kariya and Teemu Selanne. So great to see both former Ducks elected into the hall of fame and having it happen together with the two of them is just perfect just so perfect.
