Player Discussion Ryan Spooner VII

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[bruinmann77]

sign spooner and a Vet on a 1 year deal and let the youngster earn a spot

 

[Ratty]

If Spooner is traded away I feel Austin Czarnik can fill in OK until the arrival of JFK, Donato or Frederic. Austin has the same skill set as Spooner; small, quick, good passer. And, quite a bit more grit. And he's a LH shot, like Ryan. Pair him with Backus and DeBrusk and we'd have an competitive third line.

 

[LouJersey]

If Spooner is traded away I feel Austin Czarnik can fill in OK until the arrival of JFK, Donato or Frederic. Austin has the same skill set as Spooner; small, quick, good passer. And, quite a bit more grit. And he's a LH shot, like Ryan. Pair him with Backus and DeBrusk and we'd have an competitive third line.

I thought Czarnik was absolutely awful last year.

 

[Ratty]

I thought Czarnik was absolutely awful last year.

Yup. But I believe in second chances, especially given his skills.

 

[LouJersey]

Yup. But I believe in second chances, especially given his skills.

I could see them putting him at 4C and maybe bumping Nash up to 3C which would be awful. I'm guessing the Bruins use the 1 yr option and just keep Spoons and either let him build his value back up or walk away next season.

 

[BruinDust]

If Spooner is traded away I feel Austin Czarnik can fill in OK until the arrival of JFK, Donato or Frederic. Austin has the same skill set as Spooner; small, quick, good passer. And, quite a bit more grit. And he's a LH shot, like Ryan. Pair him with Backus and DeBrusk and we'd have an competitive third line.

Czarnik has the same problem as Spooner.

He's not suited nor capable of playing center at the NHL level.

If Czarnik ever makes the NHL as a full-time player, it will likely be as a winger, probably a right-wing, as he shoots right not left.

 

[Ratty]

I thought Czarnik was absolutely awful last year.

Yup. But I believe in second chances, especially given his skills.

 

[Ratty]

Czarnik has the same problem as Spooner.

He's not suited nor capable of playing center at the NHL level.

If Czarnik ever makes the NHL as a full-time player, it will likely be as a winger, probably a right-wing, as he shoots right not left.

Right about the RH shot. He's a center. And with the plethora of wingers vying for a shot on the roster, his best opportunity is at the pivot.

 

[BruinDust]

Right about the RH shot. He's a center. And with the plethora of wingers vying for a shot on the roster, his best opportunity is at the pivot.

Disagree, and if you look at the lack of depth in right-shot wingers compared to centers and left-shot wingers, his best bet to carve out a roster spot is RW, where they have Pasta and Backes (who can play C), followed by Acciari (who can also play C but is a better winger), and Nash (who likely ends up as a Center under Cassidy with Moore gone).

After that it's pretty much Senyshyn (who is doubtful to crack the Boston roster this year) and a long-shot in Justin Hickman.

Granted, chances are some left-shot wings end up on their off-side (almost inevitable this year really).

He's going to need to be much better in the face-off circle (42% last year) if he wants to play center.

Simply put, at 160 lbs, I don't think he has the strength to defend down low the way centers are asked to and need to be capable of doing at the NHL level in today's game.

 

[Ratty]

Disagree, and if you look at the lack of depth in right-shot wingers compared to centers and left-shot wingers, his best bet to carve out a roster spot is RW, where they have Pasta and Backes (who can play C), followed by Acciari (who can also play C but is a better winger), and Nash (who likely ends up as a Center under Cassidy with Moore gone).

After that it's pretty much Senyshyn (who is doubtful to crack the Boston roster this year) and a long-shot in Justin Hickman.

Granted, chances are some left-shot wings end up on their off-side (almost inevitable this year really).

He's going to need to be much better in the face-off circle (42% last year) if he wants to play center.

Simply put, at 160 lbs, I don't think he has the strength to defend down low the way centers are asked to and need to be capable of doing at the NHL level in today's game.

If Spooner goes, I'm hoping he gets a shot in TC. Between him and JFK should be competition for the third line. And, with Donato and Frederic on the way, can't see the investment it would take to pry Duchene out of Sakic's mitts. Like to see Austin add a little weight in the off season. No doubt the staff has advised him on this.

 

[LouJersey]

If Spooner goes, I'm hoping he gets a shot in TC. Between him and JFK should be competition for the third line. And, with Donato and Frederic on the way, can't see the investment it would take to pry Duchene out of Sakic's mitts. Like to see Austin add a little weight in the off season. No doubt the staff has advised him on this.

Love or hate Spooner, he's easily the most talented third line center we have on the roster at this point. It's foolish to think JFK is anywhere close to being ready (Could maybe pull a Carlo) and Nash and Czarnik are not third line players. They could move Backes to center if the young wingers make themselves part of this team with great camps.

 

[Mainehockey33]

JFK and Czarnik look 150lbs soaking wet, no thanks.

 

[Ratty]

JFK and Czarnik look 150lbs soaking wet, no thanks.

Tell that to Johnny Hockey!

 

[BruinDust]

Tell that to Johnny Hockey!

Johnny Hockey doesn't play center.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Tell that to Johnny Hockey!

The whole line of thinking of Spooner is too weak and not gritty enough so let's try a smaller player that probably won't produce as many points makes no sense to me.

Comparing Czarnik and JFK to Johnny Hockey is like comparing John Scott to Chara.

 

[Pia8988]

JFK and Czarnik look 150lbs soaking wet, no thanks.

The whole line of thinking of Spooner is too weak and not gritty enough so let's try a smaller player that probably won't produce as many points makes no sense to me.

JFK is the largest of the 3. Spooner is closer to Czarnik in height than he is JFK. Weight is comparable to JFK but I suspect JFK will add some with more age.

 

[Ratty]

Johnny Hockey doesn't play center.

Thought you wanted A.C. to play wing. Can't win.

 

[Ratty]

The whole line of thinking of Spooner is too weak and not gritty enough so let's try a smaller player that probably won't produce as many points makes no sense to me.

Comparing Czarnik and JFK to Johnny Hockey is like comparing John Scott to Chara.

You obviously missed the point.

 

[Mainehockey33]

You obviously missed the point.

I understand small players can be good on the NHL, but Czarnik and JFK haven't proven anything at that level yet, JFK hasn't even played in Providence yet. It sounded like you were comparing Johnny to Czarnik and JFK based on size alone. I think it would be unwise to start the season with a huge question mark at third line center, especially if we have the cap space to keep Spooner for another year.

I'm pretty convinced Czarnik wouldn't be an upgrade and would most likely be a downgrade. JFK is a huge unknown to me, I've never seen him play in Providence or even at a development camp. The only pro game I've seen him in he looked way out of his league.

 

[DominicT]

I understand small players can be good on the NHL, but Czarnik and JFK haven't proven anything at that level yet, JFK hasn't even played in Providence yet. It sounded like you were comparing Johnny to Czarnik and JFK based on size alone. I think it would be unwise to start the season with a huge question mark at third line center, especially if we have the cap space to keep Spooner for another year.

I'm pretty convinced Czarnik wouldn't be an upgrade and would most likely be a downgrade. JFK is a huge unknown to me, I've never seen him play in Providence or even at a development camp. The only pro game I've seen him in he looked way out of his league.

I see what you did there. Bravo!!

 

[Pia8988]

I understand small players can be good on the NHL, but Czarnik and JFK haven't proven anything at that level yet, JFK hasn't even played in Providence yet. It sounded like you were comparing Johnny to Czarnik and JFK based on size alone. I think it would be unwise to start the season with a huge question mark at third line center, especially if we have the cap space to keep Spooner for another year.

I'm pretty convinced Czarnik wouldn't be an upgrade and would most likely be a downgrade. JFK is a huge unknown to me, I've never seen him play in Providence or even at a development camp. The only pro game I've seen him in he looked way out of his league.

Again. JFK and Czarnik are not even remotely comparable in size.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Again. JFK and Czarnik are not even remotely comparable in size.

JFK is bigger than I thought, but I still don't think we should be counting on him playing in the NHL next season.

 

[Pia8988]

JFK is bigger than I thought, but I still don't think we should be counting on him playing in the NHL next season.

That I agree with. I fully expect him to start in the AHL. If he forces his way into the NHL with his play, all the better.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Love or hate Spooner, he's easily the most talented third line center we have on the roster at this point. It's foolish to think JFK is anywhere close to being ready (Could maybe pull a Carlo) and Nash and Czarnik are not third line players. They could move Backes to center if the young wingers make themselves part of this team with great camps.

you mean offensively talented... but does that make him a good center?

guys like phil kessel and taylor hall were attempted to move to center. these guys obviously are talented but there were unwilling/unable to handle the requirements of being a center

luckily kessel and hall accepted being a winger.

there are other guys who dont play good defense. tyler seguin leaps to mind. we refused to use him as a center for that very reason. dallas is ok with it. BUT NO ONE IS ARGUING THAT SPOONER IS AS OFFENSIVELY GIFTED AS SEGUIN

its very rare to find any centers in the nhl as weak on defense as spooner... and those that you find are in the same situation he is... shaky... being moved to wing... questionable whether you keep them or not

luckily defense is something teachable that is the result of hard work. if spooner wants to become a good center bad enough he can. his god given skills are better than most nhl players